"Casual" content thoughts

[Ayer2015]

People seem to fail to recognize that casual players make up the bulk of FFX!V's subscription funding. Trying to impose personal play-styles onto others in DF has just been hurting the community.
Personally I find this game has gotten so anti-social recently, I feel like I may as well be playing a single player game.

[Sylvina]

People seem to fail to recognize that casual players make up the bulk of FFX!V's subscription funding. Trying to personal play-syles onto others in DF has just been hurting the community.
Personally I find this game has gotten so anti-social recently, I feel like I may as well be playing a single player game.

Some people believe that the way to solve that problem is to force people to team up for more things or make content harder, but that's just what drives the casuals (who make up the bulk of the population) away.

[Ayer2015]

Some people believe that the way to solve that problem is to force people to team up for more things or make content harder, but that's just what drives the casuals (who make up the bulk of the population) away.

I just miss the days when people would join a DF run and chat while clearing content. Lately I just get people who are mute or rather rude.

[HyoMinPark]

People seem to fail to recognize that casual players make up the bulk of FFX!V's subscription funding. Trying to personal play-syles onto others in DF has just been hurting the community.
Personally I find this game has gotten so anti-social recently, I feel like I may as well be playing a single player game.

People can be casual without being inherently lazy. Casual =/= laziness. And, sadly, that is the connotation that “casual” has anymore, because people use it in arguments like this trying to defend poor/lazy play. Whether you are intending to do that or not, I can’t say, so I apologize if that’s not your intention, but a lot of other people have used “casual” in arguments like: “this game is made up primarily of casual players so stop trying to make things harder so that casuals can do it” or “make more content for casuals and that casuals can do”.

There is also the failure to see that there is a middle ground in terms of difficult: take some of the posts in this thread and others, where people claim that anyone asking for “harder” or “more engaging” content are automatically demanding that it be “Savage tier.” There is a middle ground between “easy mode/Baby’s First MMO” and “savage”. Making content “more engaging” is not going to “scare away” the casual players.

“Casual” means people that play this game infrequently or on a more casual basis: perhaps a couple hours a day/couple days a week, or the like. “Casual” does not mean “faceroll easy” or “lazy”, yet it tends to be used that way.

[HoodRat]

“Casual” means people that play this game infrequently or on a more casual basis: perhaps a couple hours a day/couple days a week, or the like. “Casual” does not mean “faceroll easy” or “lazy”, yet it tends to be used that way.

By that definition, I'm a casual. \○/

[JCharms]

There is also the failure to see that there is a middle ground in terms of difficult: take some of the posts in this thread and others, where people claim that anyone asking for “harder” or “more engaging” content are automatically demanding that it be “Savage tier.” There is a middle ground between “easy mode/Baby’s First MMO” and “savage”. Making content “more engaging” is not going to “scare away” the casual players.

“Casual” means people that play this game infrequently or on a more casual basis: perhaps a couple hours a day/couple days a week, or the like. “Casual” does not mean “faceroll easy” or “lazy”, yet it tends to be used that way.

I don't think there needs to be a middle ground as you call it, when different difficulties of said content exist.
As for defining casual, its so broad and varying that your attempt to categorise it falls way short.

[Alleo]

People seem to fail to recognize that casual players make up the bulk of FFX!V's subscription funding.

But being casual does not mean that you can just roll on your keyboard and get carried all day. I mean people have a different way to see difficulty but most of the dungeons in this game are really straightforward and most of them are not that hard. Yet some people even fail those because they cant even do the DPS or healing check. IMO you dont need to raid and pump out great DPS to be a good player. Just doing mechanics right and at least doing your part in group content should be enough. So just because most are casual does not mean that the skill level needs to be quite low. I mean who is going to carry those that are truly lazy if nobody would at least care a bit about the skill?

[Derio]

If anything I expect them to make more casual friendly content, even some content that encourages people to play tanks and healers more

[Mycow8me]

Please don't use disabilities and disorders as reasons to set limits for anything. Most people with either don't like that kind of association in the first place from my experience, myself included. Actually people overcoming their supposed handicaps is a thing. The only limit you have is the one you set for yourself. All through heavensward and some of 2.0, I didn't raid cause I have essential tremor in my hands, arms, and neck and its made worse by high concentration and situation intensity. Keyboard and mouse was way to aggravating, eventually plugged a PS4 controller into my computer... Fast forward to today, currently tanking for a casual group with some friends in it and we are progressing o3s.

I can appreciate a discussion of keeping the dungeon content at current difficulty but using handicaps and disorders as the means to an end is the wrong way to go about it.

[Sylvina]

Please don't use disabilities and disorders as reasons to set limits for anything. Most people with either don't like that kind of association in the first place from my experience, myself included. Actually people overcoming their supposed handicaps is a thing.

I'm not saying that having a disability neccesarily prevents you from completing content, I'm saying its understandable if it's a reason it does. Different disabilities have different effects on a persons gameplay. for instance a color blind person can still compensate for their inability to see some visual cues, but someone with only one hand may have more trouble.