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[Hayward]

It's time to kill this DPS meta dead. When tanks and healers are getting harassed for doing their stated jobs in an Expert dungeon, something has gone off the rails.

Over-reliance on DPS races in raids has spilled over into all other aspects of the game, and is causing needless stress among people who couldn't give two rats' farts about FFLogs or parses.

When a forum thread stretches 43 pages with wannabe pros relentlessly damage controlling for the DPS meta, something is seriously wrong with the direction of the game.

Tanking and healing need to mean something. That means dispensing with DPS races in favor of high or fast damage to tanks, requiring heightened attention to restoring HP or preventing damage.

[Awful]

I disagree tanks and healers have a huge toolkit to help with DPS healing and mitigation making FFXIV quite unique in that regard, as you mentioned the forum post with 43 pages it's nothing new it's been ongoing forever now. You have the tools as both a healer and a tank to contribute in a dungeon/raid/savage so use them don't be that person who doesn't use their tools or want to be a turtle tank nothing in a dungeon is going to 1 shot you.


Being able to DPS while mitigating CDs to push out your numbers is the sign of a great tank and the signs of a healer knowing when damage is coming out to circumvent healing proactively while DPSing, seriously you're making this a big deal when it's most people just not pressing their buttons. Most healers don't even touch their DPS spells and go afk or just spam Cure/Pysick/Benefic and most tanks just spam their 1-2-3 threat combos and never use their CDs in a rotating manor, it's not the harassment that is the issue it's the problem that most of the people at 70 rarely use their toolkit and maybe use half.

I don't see how this DPS meta is making you less of a tank or less of a healer when they do prioritize their threat and healing but also DPS which is expected as you have the tools and utility to do so there's no excuse. Also the irony of you making a thread complaining about a thread complaining about what you're complaining about is pretty sad.

[Canadane]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

[Enla]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

Hell, it's half the reason I love SCH so much. DPS is so ingrained into that class' meta and it makes it so much more fun to play.

[HyoMinPark]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

Agreed. Standing around and waiting for people to take damage when playing healer is probably the most boring thing in the world.


@OP, I’m all for tanking and healing being more engaging, but the devs are never going to make fights that demand 80% healing uptime or actually require tanks to remain in tank stance 100% of the time (which, a lot probably wouldn’t anyways), because then people would complain about it being “too hard” and to “please nerf” the fight. Especially in content like dungeons.

[SuperZay]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

It wouldn't be so boring if bosses autoatack the tank for 1/2 HP every hit in Expert Roulette with special moves one-shotting him unmitigated.
Right now I can do Expert without a single tank cooldown and my HP never drops below 60%, which defeats purpose of all these extra abilities.

95% of the game is too easy, that's why it may look boring for tanks and healers.

[Fyce]

It wouldn't be so boring if bosses autoatack the tank for 1/2 HP every hit in Expert Roulette with special moves one-shotting him unmitigated.
Right now I can do Expert without a single tank cooldown and my HP never drops below 60%, which defeats purpose of all these extra abilities.

95% of the game is too easy, that's why it may look boring for tanks and healers.

Spamming Cure II instead of Stone IV won't make things more interesting.
Besides, your "95% of the game is too easy" is complete nonsense.

[Mimilu]

It wouldn't be so boring if bosses autoatack the tank for 1/2 HP every hit in Expert Roulette with special moves one-shotting him unmitigated.
Right now I can do Expert without a single tank cooldown and my HP never drops below 60%, which defeats purpose of all these extra abilities.

95% of the game is too easy, that's why it may look boring for tanks and healers.

Would 95% of the game's playerbase be able to handle that?

[Sylvina]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

I agree with this, but I also agree that nobody should be harrassing a tank who's not doing dps levels of dps, or using TANK stance for his job. When tank stance becomes useless for tanking, we have a huge problem.

[Kazgrel]

So now we have a thread complaining about a thread complaining about dps. Neat.