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    Savagelf's Avatar
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    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.

    i come to play ffxiv to have fun i not really tried do any of end raids or anything i just want have fun and kind frustrating get advice. one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.

    some of my character don't even have shread of omega gear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.
    1) What are they supposed to do other than leave if you make it clear to them that you're not intrested in getting advice? Beg you to take it? They're already spending some of their own time on you while you're probably blowing up in their face or ignoring them alltogether - why should they stay?
    2) How do you know it was "bad advice" in the first place if you dont know how to play said class?
    3) The end of a dungeon is the best moment to give someone advice on how to improve on their class - it doesnt put a hold to the run, the people not affected by it can choose wether to leave or stay and it removes the risk of someone being so pissed off they'll just leave. Its also more relaxed once the last boss is dead.
    4) Seriously? The best advice you've ever got was something this basic? That its easier to tank when in tank-stance and with a damagebuff up? Now I dont even want to imagine what you might have missed with your samurai...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.
    What are people supposed to do when you ignore their advice? Beg and plead for you to listen to them? Follow you around like a puppy spewing their advice over and over again? What do you want them to do?

    “Someone gave me advice! Stop! I don’t like that!”
    “Someone gave me advice, I ignored them, and then they left the instance! Rude!”

    It’s like they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t...

    As for the tank advice, really? That’s the most basic advice that once should already know: if I’m tanking, I should probably use my tank stance. The DRK 30 quest actually stresses the importance of using Darkside, so, again, very basic and very given. If that’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever gotten in this game..... I’m sorry, I question that. Of course, with your opening post, it seems like anyone who tried to offer you anything more would have their head bitten off over it...if not just flat-out ignored, which is equally as disrespectful.

    i come to play ffxiv to have fun i not really tried do any of end raids or anything i just want have fun and kind frustrating get advice.
    So does everyone else. Some people don’t find it fun seeing someone play a job incorrect/gimp themselves, so they extend a helping hand. And then, you bite it off. Equally not as fun for them. Your enjoyment is not more important that another person’s when you’re doing group content. Sorry.

    one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.
    I understand that having ADHD has it’s own set of challenges, but please don’t use it as an excuse to not get better. I’m sorry, but that’s what it sounds like you’re doing.

    some of my character don't even have shread of omega gear
    You said yourself you only run dungeons, and no high-end raids. Omega gear is overkill for dungeons, so this is irrelevant. Just because you only run dungeons doesn’t mean that it’s okay to “be okay” with not improving your performance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I left before he could give advice
    I’m sorry, that makes you the rude person, not them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    i come to play ffxiv to have fun i not really tried do any of end raids or anything i just want have fun and kind frustrating get advice. one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.
    I have ADHD too. If you don't take on the full spectrum of advice completely, but you show you're at least trying to improve yourself, that's OK for most. Again, I've mentioned, most people are understanding of disabilities. When I get advice, I try my best. If I forget something, then that's OK too, at least I'm trying to improve myself. You sound like you're using your disability as an excuse here. If they give you a big batch of advice and you are able to take some of it on board, but not all of it, most players just assume not all of it was understood, and they'll help fill in the gaps.

    Don't let your disability define you. I don't (for the most part). Fight on, you're just as capable as everyone else, you just need a different type of support (for example advice in smaller bitesize chunks). Keep at it, you'll get there eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.
    Okay, I call straight-up bulls**t on this one. In fact, it kind of ticks me off. Look at the character card in my sig, every class in the game 50 or above and 8 combat jobs (and counting) at the lvl cap. And guess what? I've had ADHD since I can remember. I was diagnosed in preschool and it was severe enough that I was medicated for it until I graduated high school. I still have the entire textbook list of symptoms of it well into adulthood, but I've learned how to manage it without meds.

    Please, for the love of god, do not hold it up as some paper shield to defend yourself from being incapable of either understanding advice or remembering how to perform multiple jobs. Because implying ADHD makes you unable to preform in this game to even an adequate level of skill, I personally find offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.
    please don't take this the wrong way but, part of learning is listening and not just self-study and experimentation. it is why people go to school/college/uni because you can never learn everything on your own you need some form of external guidance and that's what other people here want you to realise. people will give you advice if they feel that you are not playing well within the average performance, as long as they do so nicely and politely, there is no harm and there is no shame in being the receiving end of the advice. people who do care or bother to teach you do not demand you to perform like world first/hardcore raiders, they just want you to play at your very best and it's not only for you - it is for your teammates also because this is a multi-player and social game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.

    i come to play ffxiv to have fun i not really tried do any of end raids or anything i just want have fun and kind frustrating get advice. one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.

    some of my character don't even have shread of omega gear
    I feel like this is a troll post...if so, then I guess I'm feeding the troll. If not...well, let's test to see how thick skinned you really are. So basically, you're saying you are getting mad because you are getting advise in an MMO. You know, in dungeons, with 3 other players, or up to 7 if you're doing one of the trials. Are you kidding me? So, what, if you're not doing something that helps you be more proficient at the job you have chosen, any advise that is given to you is unwanted and you'll either ignore it or quit?

    Oh wait, but you said you wanted to have fun, right? You want to play this game the way you want to play it, right? So that 3-7 other players can suffer because you didn't want to take advise, which was probably well-intended in the first place. I have an awesome idea - if you want to be selfish and do that, then go play a single-player game. I am sorry to be harsh, but this is just purely selfish on your part. If the advise is given in a constructive manner and well-intended, it's meant to help you improve as a player. If you don't want advice, especially in instances where you are playing terribly, then don't queue up in dungeons and have other players suffer because you want to be selfish.

    Stay in the open world, do your MSQ and stick to hunts and whatever solo content you want. But don't queue up as a level 70 and expect players to not give you advice, especially when a lot of them currently know what should and should not be done, and what does and doesn't work as a team. Seriously.

    Like, this post legit annoyed me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    Stay in the open world, do your MSQ and stick to hunts and whatever solo content you want. But don't queue up as a level 70 and expect players to not give you advice, especially when a lot of them currently know what should and should not be done, and what does and doesn't work as a team. Seriously.
    There's only one problem with the MSQ... you're required to do multiplayer duties as part of it. And to access a lot of content for other classes too, you have to do MSQ... in essence, it's a case of either adapt, stick to premades who don't mind covering the lost ground, or quit the game. It's not as simple as just do MSQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    There's only one problem with the MSQ... you're required to do multiplayer duties as part of it. And to access a lot of content for other classes too, you have to do MSQ... in essence, it's a case of either adapt, stick to premades who don't mind covering the lost ground, or quit the game. It's not as simple as just do MSQ.
    I saw his currently selected class, and common sense would dictate that he's cleared MSQ, so that's why I said such comments. I probably should've clarified that I meant 'from this point forward'...or they can just go into POTD. They can do whatever they want in there. There's even a solo option too.
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