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  1. #11
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    Savagelf's Avatar
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    look i click as many button as i could to do damage on my samuri what more could i have done. i use all the attack combinations. and I not a troll, I just frustated. just because i have struggle with my writing skill you accurse me be a troll one can be born and live entire life in the US still have issue type out complete sentives is called a writing disability.
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    I cannot agree with this. I get you want to learn machnist, but this is a team orientated game. If I see something I can advise on, and it's causing in my eyes more than a simple minor issue, I will say something, solicited or otherwise. I'm there to help people. Usually, it's only the basics of the class I point out (since I don't know the intricacies of the class). If that gets people's panties in a twist, then I see it as their problem, not mine, for simply helping. I treat it as like a job, if you're not performing as good as you can be in a real job, you'll first of all get advised and supported, if that fails, you get fired. I will take the same approach here. If this sounds harsh to you then I'm sorry, but I will not mince my words over it. I treat this like I would treat a real life job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    look i click as many button as i could to do damage on my samuri what more could i have done. i use all the attack combinations. and I not a troll, I just frustated. just because i have struggle with my writing skill you accurse me be a troll one can be born and live entire life in the US still have issue type out complete sentives is called a writing disability.
    That being said, I get you're frustrated, but dependent on how the advice is given, it isn't harassment, it isn't elitism. It's called helping support the team forward in ways that you can. Like as a healer, I will weave in as much DPS as I can. That being said, we won't get so uppity about minor mistakes in dungeons (even Expert for the most part). It's Extreme Primals and Savage that you're expected to know your job almost inside out.

    As for the disability, I myself have a communication disability. So I can understand the challenges brought on by disability. That being said, most players do understand that some people are genuinely handicapped in this game due to disability, and we adapt around that. We're trying to make the playerbase better as a whole.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 11-21-2017 at 07:31 AM.
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  3. #13
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    Ferox Maximillian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    look i click as many button as i could to do damage on my samuri what more could i have done. i use all the attack combinations. and I not a troll, I just frustated. just because i have struggle with my writing skill you accurse me be a troll one can be born and live entire life in the US still have issue type out complete sentives is called a writing disability.
    It isn't the form of your wording that made me question whether you were trolling or not, it was the thought they were trying to convey. I have a feeling the so-called elitist that prompted you to make the thread mentioned exactly what more you could have done if you do want to do better. Perhaps give their advice a chance instead of making detrimental forum threads?
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  4. #14
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    Sorry that you don't want to be held accountable for being nearly AFK, op

    The greatest killer in Rabanastre isn't Pillarman, it's Netflix
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    look i click as many button as i could to do damage on my samuri what more could i have done. i use all the attack combinations.
    Maybe if you'd listend to the person who was offering you some advice on how to play that class you'd know?

    "Button pressing" doesnt equal good play - you're playing this game long enough, judging by your join date, to know that. I cant give solid samurai-advice myself, as I havent played that class yet, but I'll assume that like any other class hes got buffs and/or dots to keep up; use either single target or AoE-skills; make proper use of his special job-gauge; might have a rotation that goes beyond "press the next flashing button" (aka: you wanna use this CD in combindation with this attack and so on).

    That you havent grasped a class yet, is okay - but why blow someone off and be this frustrated if they offer you advice (as long as that happens in a friendly, polite manner)? If they felt you could need some advice, you could have been doing more than just "clicking as many buttons as you could".
    If you cant take advice from someone whos offering it - look up some guides now, maybe? Or... stick to single player games or premade groups.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    please keep your advice to your self when tried tell other players about how play they characters. this is why we are have issue with elitism. I hope we never get damage meter because we see said elitism come out in it full ugleness. today i was play my samuri and a paladin want give me advice at end of the dungeon on how play my samuri.
    It’s posts like this that make the good mentors stay silent in duties. And then, in turn, people complain: “Well, there was a mentor in my X duty, and they didn’t give us any advice at all!” Because people like you call them “elitist” for trying to help. Certainly, there’s no need for rudeness when giving advice, and if the person was being rude while giving out advice, he should work on that. But someone genuinely wanting to help a player in a nice, polite way, and then they’re met with this? This is wrong; it makes you the elitist.

    Pressing buttons =/= good DPS. I can spam Drain on a caster all day long, doesn’t make me good. While SAM is mind-numbingly easy to play, just “pressing lots of buttons” isn’t enough; there is way more to it than that. It’s quite possible the PLD saw that you were doing something incorrect, and just wanted to let you know “Hey, you should do it this way instead”. You also don’t need a parser for that: I can see when a BRD isn’t using their songs because of the lack of the “Critical Hit Up buff” they give now. I can see when a BRD isn’t using their DoTs when they aren’t on the boss. I can see when DPS aren’t AOEing when things take forever to die, and their TP remains at full the entire time. You don’t always need a damage meter to see when people are doing something wrong.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 11-21-2017 at 07:41 AM.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by NolLacnala View Post
    Sorry that you don't want to be held accountable for being nearly AFK, op

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    it ffxiv forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    look i click as many button as i could to do damage on my samuri what more could i have done. i use all the attack combinations. and I not a troll, I just frustated. just because i have struggle with my writing skill you accurse me be a troll one can be born and live entire life in the US still have issue type out complete sentives is called a writing disability.
    People dont accuse you for the spelling or how you type as trolling, it's the way you came out to us saying you don't want to take advice from people who clearly has more experience than you and you are not willing to take it. If someone does that, then you clearly did something wrong and you cannot deny it.
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  9. #19
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    You seem pretty thin-skinned, so I am going to say this as concise and matter-of-factly as possible.

    Someone offering you advice is neither harassment nor elitism. If they did so in a rude or condescending manner then fine, take issue with their bad attitude, not the fact that they gave advice. A mature person would at least consider if their suggestion(s) had merit without dismissing them out of hand, let alone jumping straight to taking offense.
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  10. #20
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    first off i not thin skin i just tire of get advice more ill and then them leave when i not interest or get bad advice or them tried give advice at end of the dungeon and
    second I not thin skins first off one best peice of advice i got was on my dark knight and it was how to hold agro which was have both darksider and guts turn on.

    i come to play ffxiv to have fun i not really tried do any of end raids or anything i just want have fun and kind frustrating get advice. one my character play 4 to five difference jobs it hard remember set combo plus having adhd it doesn't help when people tried give me advice when i problem will miss a detail.

    some of my character don't even have shread of omega gear
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 11-21-2017 at 08:10 AM.

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