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    Player
    Zarabeth's Avatar
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    Limsa-Lominsa
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    Kaylee Frye
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    Leviathan
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    I run a linkshell and an FC to help new players out with getting content done and learning how to play the game and their jobs. If someone is obviously ignorant of how their job works I will offer advice. I don't do this to be mean or to pick on them. I do this to help them. If they are obviously not welcoming the advice, I tend to just drop it and get on with the dungeon or whatever.

    You, OP, don't seem to want any advice or constructive criticism. Stop taking this so personally. Maybe the person who was trying to help you plays that job and knows how to get the most out of it and just wants to pass that on. If this bothers you so much then at the start of a dungeon simply tell the group that you are learning but don't want advice.

    One thing to keep in mind. If "everyone" is trying to offer advice, perhaps you are doing it wrong.
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    Last edited by Zarabeth; 11-21-2017 at 08:44 AM. Reason: i had more words

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    NanaWiloh's Avatar
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Advice should be offered or given when its asked for, throwing out advice and expecting people listen wont end well. As for Mentors you get crap cause there are Mentors in this game who are complete and utter crap. Advice has to be wanted to be accepted and like it or not there are players who dont want advice. No one has to accept Advice if you think they should then you should take this post as some advice.
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    Last edited by NanaWiloh; 11-21-2017 at 09:32 AM.

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    Hyomin Park
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    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Advice should be offered or given when its asked for, throwing out advice and expecting people listen wont end well. As for Mentors you get crap cause there are Mentors in this game who are complete and utter crap. Advice has to be wanted to be accepted and like it or not there are players who dont want advice. No one has to accept Advice if you think they should then you should take this post as some advice.
    Again, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. A lot of people complain about the silent mentors. Well, did they ever think perhaps they're silent because of people like the OP?
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

    마지막 날 널 찾아가면
    마지막 밤 기억하길

    Hyomin Park#0055

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    Ilan's Avatar
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    Shiva
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    please keep your advice to your self when tried tell other players about how play they characters. this is why we are have issue with elitism. I hope we never get damage meter because we see said elitism come out in it full ugleness. today i was play my samuri and a paladin want give me advice at end of the dungeon on how play my samuri.
    I have a simple request to players like you: Please listen to players who explain something to you if they are polite because no matter how good you think you are or how long you are playing you might do things wrong because you are not god.
    The only people who are elitists are these players who don't want to take tipps and refuse to learn because they think they are perfect or think they can do what ever they want, think about it.
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    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
    暗闇の力#7805

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    Player Vhailor's Avatar
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    Deionarra Eidolon
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    please keep your advice to your self when tried tell other players about how play they characters. this is why we are have issue with elitism. I hope we never get damage meter because we see said elitism come out in it full ugleness. today i was play my samuri and a paladin want give me advice at end of the dungeon on how play my samuri.
    This scenario is rarely black and white. If you want to avoid worsening the issue, please keep harsh and rigid opinions such as these to yourself, rather than shouting them out on the forums.

    Sometimes, people play poorly enough that it clearly requires correcting. Other times, people obviously give unwarranted advice. In between these two extremes is a large grey area of activity, that is interpreted differently depending on the people involved. There's nothing to do but live with it, and try to avoid casting every instance of conflict as a war between one extreme or the other.
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    Eylirria's Avatar
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    Eyliria Dawnbreaker
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Maybe you are just bad at the job and they wanted to help you out.
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    ThickishGerm's Avatar
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    Cid Vicious
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    Tonberry
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    If you don't enjoy interactions from other people I suggest you play a single player game.

    Offering advice if someone is struggling is not harassment, and to immediately take a defensive stance and claim them as elitist says more about you than them.
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Sargatanas
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    Reaper Lv 100
    No. If you're doing something obviously incorrectly (read: detrimental to party progression or causing others to work harder JUST to complete content) I will politely suggest an improvement as long as I have experience and confidence that my suggestion is helpful.
    It's up to you to take the advice or reply with a reason you are doing things the way you are.

    I submit that if you are CONSTANTLY being told certain things, perhaps it isn't the others who have a problem?
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    Francia Alto
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    Seraph
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    Gladiator Lv 1
    This person is why I pvp more now and do dungeons less.
    Duty finder hurts.
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    Tempest222's Avatar
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    Kestrel Moon
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Imo advice/constructive criticism given politely is a good thing. I would be welcoming to any pointers or tips someone had for me if they noticed I could be doing something better, but there is definitely a difference between offering tips or giving someone concrete advice on what they can do to improve and not really being helpful and bordering on rude. For example, I was in a low level dungeon earlier with a healer who was just constantly nattering at the tank throughout the instance saying things like "You sure take a lot of damage" and "you really make me word hard at healing... just saying." Now, obviously that's not super terrible or anything, but it's also not helpful. So yeah, I'd say tips welcome, incessant complaints with no solutions not that helpful.
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