DPS is the job of DPS.

[Sorriow]

I think you're not fitting to talk in a forum if you can't read and process what people are writing to you, moreso if you avoid their questions and try to bait them into arguing around your fallacy.

In the end, I assume that you don't agree with this sentient.

Bottom line: If you don't want/try to push the best out of you, you have it coming to get shamed/insulted/kicked out of a party in a multiplayer setting.

[Miste]

Speedrunning is like learning how to ride a bicycle, the first times, you will fail. If people kick or leave you when it happens, chances are you won't improve for quite some time. And no videos will ever be enough to teach you, or else everybody would clear all content.

Yeah.....point being? If you fall off the bicycle then you get back on and try again. If people leave you wait for replacements and try again or you requeue and try again.

I mean I learned to ride a bike when I was 5, I fell over, I fell off, my older friend who knew how to ride already laughed at me, but I just kept getting back on and trying so I could learn.

No where did I say videos will make you perfect so now you are just being silly. Videos will still help you be more prepared than if you didn't watch it at all; every little bit helps after all.

[Sorriow]

I think what he is trying to say is that you can't learn how to ride a bike when you're not allowed on the bike again.
But what actually happens is, that he doesn't really have a bike (ergo, the basics down), but he tries to ignore that when people try to tell it to him.


At least it wasn't a food analogy.

[Reynhart]

I think you're not fitting to talk in a forum if you can't read and process what people are writing to you, moreso if you avoid their questions and try to bait them into arguing around your fallacy.

Awww, you poor thing...you can't process that you very first question already contains a potential nonsese, and you become all edgy...while still don't adressing it later.

To leave a good impression?

I don't care, since DF people won't remember me ten minutes later even if I'm the most wonderful tank that ever existed in the game...which I'm certainly not.

To actually make it fun for everyone involved in the group?

Assuming we all have the same definition of fun...Spoilers : we don't.

Why would you literally disrespect people in a multiplayer settings because you "want to play the game your way" instead pulling the best out of yourself?

Same as the first question. If you can't have a "smooth" and "fast" run at the same time, chances are we don't have the same definition of what is "best".

Is it because in your mindset, you think you are good players and don't need a change of playstile or (dare I say) advice from a random person?

No, it's because I'm more concerned of the game being fun to play. And I personally think that wiping because of overdoing things is less fun that a smooth but slower run. I also think that giving a bad experience to a new player will have a deeper impact than "wasting" 5 minutes of people who already played the game for months.

In the end, I assume that you don't agree with this sentient.

I don't agree that the "best" experience playing the game is necessarily the most mathematically efficient one.

I mean I learned to ride a bike when I was 5, I fell over, I fell off, my older friend who knew how to ride already laughed at me, but I just kept getting back on and trying so I could learn.

Good for you. But, believe me, there are some players that totally lose any bit of confidence if you tell them they suck on their first failed attempt at speedrunning. Worse, some of them even lose confidence if they fail the duty even if no one blames them. And I'm betting you would have learn how to ride faster if, instead of laughing at you, your older friend cheered you up for your next try.

[Miste]

Good for you. But, believe me, there are some players that totally lose any bit of confidence if you tell them they suck on their first failed attempt at speedrunning. Worse, some of them even lose confidence if they fail the duty even if no one blames them. And I'm betting you would have learn how to ride faster if, instead of laughing at you, your older friend cheered you up for your next try.

Actually my friend teasing me made me more stubborn and determined to learn. So you bet wrong there.....good idea not to bet on an event from a stranger's life who you don't know anything about, good way to lose the bet.

You can't really equate a friend in real life to a stranger in a DF run though as that would be different. I understand your point about people ridiculing someone for failing, but those are just rude players and unfortunately we have no way to get rid of them completely. It is something that everyone kind of has to learn to deal with and get a thicker skin about since it is impossible to stop it from happening no matter how much we advocate people to be nice to each other.

If people leaving or the duty failing completely destroys someone's confidence that sort of isn't the fault of the random players who happen to be in the group or happened to choose to leave. I know it sucks that someone got very upset about it but there isn't any obligation for total strangers to deal with that person's issue though either. I know that may sound cold, but it is just the truth. You can only expect so much from total strangers.

[RLofOBFL]

-Reads first post-


Someone never progged savage or ultimate <.<

Tank and healer dps is equally as important as their primary role <.<

<.<

[Reynhart]

So you bet wrong there.....good idea not to bet on an event from a stranger's life who you don't know anything about, good way to lose the bet.

Ok, I lost. But, generally, positive reinforcement tends to give better progress.

You can't really equate a friend in real life to a stranger in a DF run though as that would be different.

No, you can't. But I still tend to react the same way with everyone, be it a real friend, a fellow player, or a simple stranger that lacks confidence. That's part of doing my "best" when playing a multiplayer game.

I know it sucks that someone got very upset about it but there isn't any obligation for total strangers to deal with that person's issue though either. I know that may sound cold, but it is just the truth. You can only expect so much from total strangers.

This is no obligation, but that's what I like to do. It doesn't cost me anything and it can help someone, why shouldn't I ?

[odintius]

I try ever so often to help but not during a fight it seems Everytime I try to type something out the game knows it and Target me with all the mechanics >.>

[Jijifli]

The problem also lies with people who don't have the patience to teach other. If your new healer/tank tries to manage a mass pull and the group wipes once or twice, most people will just bail out.

Quick story: During a leveling roulette.

I'm a mentor, there's a sprout healer. We're going through the dungeon and they are spamming medica like crazy. Nobody's really hurt, but they spam it anyways, draining mp away. Me, a mentor, picked up on it. I kindly explain why spamming medica is a bad idea. "Hey, just wanted to mention spamming heals when people are full health isn't very good for your MP. Try pacing it out a bit so that you'll have mana for longer fights." Want to guess the response? "SHUT UP I KNOW MY JOB I'M A HEALER YOU'RE A BARD GO **** OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE"

So yes, there are people that don't bother helping... and some of them are because they're tired of getting that as a response for so much as stating they did something wrong. I didn't even SAY to dps. This is common. Spamming cure and I mention it's killing MP, or Medica in this case too? Get yelled at for caring about healer dps despite not stating it. Tell a tank he needs to use cooldowns for the buster because he's taking too much? Get yelled at because he thinks I'm telling him to drop tank stance with it. Tell a dps he's misusing a key ability and it's hurting his dps? Get called a parsing elitist and "reported" for it.

[Reynhart]

Want to guess the response? "SHUT UP I KNOW MY JOB I'M A HEALER YOU'RE A BARD GO **** OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE"

That's why I mentionned :

If I meet someone new and willing to learn, I will adjust my pace to him

So yes, there are people that don't bother helping... and some of them are because they're tired of getting that as a response for so much as stating they did something wrong.

I'm not that discouraged...yet. And I'm sure I will get bored of the game itself before.