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  1. #61
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    Bradach's Avatar
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    Callanan Quanzhou
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    After people complain about the lack of tanks but you yell at us for the dps , how to dps or sometimes i've received insult because i'm doing 2500 dps, if you want tanks comes to your parties be nice with us and stop asking for dps, Dps IT S FOR DD NOT for tanks ! That FFlogs doesn't respect privacy of players and should be closed for the harrasement we players tanks or dps we have!

    Can"t you Not happy only with a team going well in runs without expcepting too much??
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradach View Post
    After people complain about the lack of tanks but you yell at us for the dps , how to dps or sometimes i've received insult because i'm doing 2500 dps, if you want tanks comes to your parties be nice with us and stop asking for dps, Dps IT S FOR DD NOT for tanks ! That FFlogs doesn't respect privacy of players and should be closed for the harrasement we players tanks or dps we have!

    Can"t you Not happy only with a team going well in runs without expcepting too much??
    *loud screeching noises*
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  3. #63
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    The biggest problem with this mentality OP is that SE doesn't make mobs challenging enough to warrent healers and tanks to exclusively perform their role. If I am able to go into sword oath without any danger, and a healer is left idling because my health doesn't go down quickly, then all that is left is to DPS.
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  4. #64
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    Clicked's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    The biggest problem with this mentality OP is that SE doesn't make mobs challenging enough to warrent healers and tanks to exclusively perform their role. If I am able to go into sword oath without any danger, and a healer is left idling because my health doesn't go down quickly, then all that is left is to DPS.
    This. Bosses need to hit harder and have lower DPS requirements to compensate. That would also make Tenacity and Piety more attractive stats.
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  5. #65
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    Selova's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradach View Post
    snip.
    There is no such thing as privacy when it comes to your virtual avatar. FFlogs aside, everything you do in-game is logged and can be seen. So please spare us the "invading mah privacies" spiel, because it doesn't apply in a virtual world unless your RL info is involved.


    Also, it's not expecting too much to ask people to not sit there doing nothing when there is no damage to mitigate or damage to heal. If this was their intent, then there would be no reason for sword oath, deliverance or the cleric stance role ability to exist. It's just pure laziness, plain and simple.
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  6. #66
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradach View Post
    After people complain about the lack of tanks but you yell at us for the dps , how to dps or sometimes i've received insult because i'm doing 2500 dps, if you want tanks comes to your parties be nice with us and stop asking for dps, Dps IT S FOR DD NOT for tanks ! That FFlogs doesn't respect privacy of players and should be closed for the harrasement we players tanks or dps we have!

    Can"t you Not happy only with a team going well in runs without expcepting too much??
    Translation: I want to do the absolute bare minimum but demand you perform top 90%. Now ban parses so no one can see I'm not contributing even half as much.

    To put it simply
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  7. #67
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradach View Post
    After people complain about the lack of tanks but you yell at us for the dps , how to dps or sometimes i've received insult because i'm doing 2500 dps, if you want tanks comes to your parties be nice with us and stop asking for dps, Dps IT S FOR DD NOT for tanks ! That FFlogs doesn't respect privacy of players and should be closed for the harrasement we players tanks or dps we have!

    Can"t you Not happy only with a team going well in runs without expcepting too much??
    As it was discussed in another thread, you don’t own any of the information in this game; it’s all owned by SE. You pay for access via your subscription, but you do not own it. So there’s no privacy of yours for FFLogs to violate; aside from the fact that FFLogs and ACT derive their numbers from in-game Battle Logs, which are public for everyone to see if you have the appropriate chat log settings.

    That being said, nothing in this game hits hard enough to warrant tanks to remain in their stances, and for healers to have 80~90% healing uptime. Aggro is ridiculously easy to hold for any competent tank, more so if the DPS and healers are also competent and are mindful of their personal enmity. With nothing else to do, why not DPS? DPS is a byproduct of a tank’s rotation anyways. By you saying “stop asking for DPS”, you’re, in a way, saying that you should be expected to just Flash and nothing more in terms of tanking: Flash and cooldown usage.

    All the jobs in this game are DPS jobs with additional abilities/support: tanks are DPS with enmity-generating and damage mitigation skills. Healers are DPS with healing and other support skills. DPS are DPS with higher damage-dealing skills than the prior two. But all three roles are, essentially, DPS. Because FFXIV is a DPS-oriented game by its current design.

    Quote Originally Posted by fumofu View Post
    And what if as tank I'm not confident enough that I can focus at keeping mobs on me, surviving and maxing dps at same time? Or I just haven't played for a long time? You don't really know player circumstances and don't really have a right to expect everyone to be on top of their game every time.
    You’re severely misinterpreting that post. What they’re saying is, tanks that know what they are doing should strive to do more than just 1-2-3. Healers that know what they’re doing should be striving for more than just a heal every 30 seconds/refreshing the regen every 23 seconds/letting Eos do all the work. DPS are expected to pull their weight in content; it’s unfair for tanks and heals to “get away with” or “get a pass” for doing the bare minimum when they can strive to do more. They obviously aren’t addressing players that are fresh to the game, or fresh to a role, but to players that have been playing the game/role for long enough to know when they’re being lazy and when they’re pulling their weight.

    In content with people that have been playing long enough to know the difference between lazy play and not-lazy play, they should all opt for the not-lazy play and pull their weight. Trust me, a lot of players know when they’re pulling their weight and when they’re being lazy, and a lot actively choose to do one or the other. The only time laziness stems from ignorance is in a fresh player, and people are far more lenient towards them so long as they show willingness to improve, and not to continue being lazy.

    If you are new to a piece of content or to a role, just say so. People will be far more accommodating towards you than if you say nothing at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyPr View Post
    i prefere a healer who doesn't DPS than a healer who doesnt know that he has Esuna
    /discuss
    Here’s how this works:
    Regen > Cure > Divine Benison > Stone IV > Stone IV > Stone IV > ....
    “Oh no! The tank has a bleed debuff!”
    Esuna > Stone IV > Stone IV > Cure II > Regen > ...

    You can do both.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 11-21-2017 at 07:25 AM.
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  8. #68
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    Keridwyn Maeve
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    You can have Holy when you pry it from my broken fingers.
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  9. #69
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    Kaethra Tatrinae
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    Here's the stark fact neither side would want to admit. But fact is fact despite anything they say, do, or feel. The DPS is the responsibility of whomever the group decides. Each group is different, so the responsibility varies from group to group.

    Its that simple. If you're a healer that only heals, and the group thinks you should do damage. Damage or kick. If the group thinks you should only heal, Don't Damage or kick. Its a dictatorship of the majority and majority rules. Period. No amount of discussion, no amount of threads, no amount of hurt feelings in these forums will change that fact.

    You only get a say if your group agrees with you. Otherwise its do as you're told or leave. That's the fact.

    I've got my own opinion on the matter. Probably even agree with most of you here. But guess what? Even my opinion is eclipsed by the fact. My own opinion is irrelevant to the fact. And so is everyone else's.
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  10. #70
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    Liza Sol
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    I just did an expert and I was actually so happy. The WHM I knew wasnt super confident on dpsing but they did!! DRG did crazy amount of dps same with the smn. The best part is we ran it fairly quick, we were already done with second boss when we only been 7min into the dungeon. I never expect anyone to play as good as they did, but honestly it's been a while I've seen melee dps aoe a lot, like the DRG did and a smn who actually use bane and aoe. This is something I love to see and honestly I was fine with how the WHM ACTUALLY TRIED to do some damage. Mad respect for that.
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