DPS is the job of DPS.

[Shouko]

This game is becoming more n more like WoW mentality everyday it's getting scary.

Look if you want a party that speed runs content, healers that DPS and DPS that use AoE to their fullest extent then pop up a PF and put it into the description, instead of trying to force people to your way of playing.

[Squintina]

This game is becoming more n more like WoW mentality everyday it's getting scary.

Look if you want a party that speed runs content, healers that DPS and DPS that use AoE to their fullest extent then pop up a PF and put it into the description, instead of trying to force people to your way of playing.

I remember this mentality in WoW raids, but not as much in dungeons.
So, based on my personal experience (which doesn't amount to much as it's all anecdotal), I would be led to believe that FF14's mentality might actually be worse.
And considering what I've seen my husband, who always mains a tank in games he plays, encounter doing leveling dungeons & trials, it doesn't make it seem any better... :/

[Dualgunner]

This game is becoming more n more like WoW mentality everyday it's getting scary.

Are you recently active on the forums? I see the 2013 join date, but only 26 posts, so I have to wonder.

I ask because the posts I've seen from you have largely been about how people talking about the metagame aspects of the game, such as wanting job balance and tank/healer damage is a bad thing that is detracting your enjoyment of the game. But you act like these are things that are recent.

This is the general state of these forums. The people here are constantly arguing over things like this. I don't know what WoW mentality is, and personally it doesn't matter to me.

I say this with no ill intent at all; but rather, genuine advice. If being on the forums is negatively impacting how you enjoy the game and its community...don't come to the forums. At least avoid the General Discussion, Tanks, Healers, and DPS forums, because what you see here is mostly all that the mentioned forums contain.

[Clicked]

I remember this mentality in WoW raids, but not as much in dungeons.
So, based on my personal experience (which doesn't amount to much as it's all anecdotal), I would be led to believe that FF14's mentality might actually be worse.

Pretty sure that WoW tanks have to focus more on mitigation because boss melee hits aren't fluff like in this game.

[Lunafreya]

You wont clear Neo without healer dps unless your dps is top. Are you gonna ask us to just stand there waiting until your hp is low or can we actually contribute?

[dotsforlife]

You wont clear Neo without healer dps unless your dps is top. Are you gonna ask us to just stand there waiting until your hp is low or can we actually contribute?

I doubt these types of people are running high end content and if they are they're probably being carried.

[Shouko]

Are you recently active on the forums? I see the 2013 join date, but only 26 posts, so I have to wonder.

Currently house sitting for my mom, which has spotty internet due to her location, because of this can't really play the game atm and so have been on the forums to see what the current state of people's mindset is. I don't take it personally nor am I attempting to change anyone, just adding my 2 cents.

WoW and this game are very much alike in the sense they started off great with the sense of a mmo community and having a challenge and working towards it, but over the years it's become this soulless game where nobody really talks, or helps as much, fights aren't explained or asked about most of the time, it's all about loot, and glamour, vanity to the extreme, etc.

[Selova]

This game is becoming more n more like WoW mentality everyday it's getting scary.

Look if you want a party that speed runs content, healers that DPS and DPS that use AoE to their fullest extent then pop up a PF and put it into the description, instead of trying to force people to your way of playing.

This has nothing to do with WoW, it exists in every single mmo. We aren't asking you to solve a rubix cube 1 handed or solving the Hydratic Equation while at the same time playing your job at the highest level physically possible. Just don't be lazy and stand around doing nothing when there isn't healing that is required or damage needed to mitigate. ABC=Always be casting/pressing buttons making sure your gcd's are always on cooldown, this really isn't rocket science. It really isn't that much to ask, but apparently people get some kind of enjoyment out of impeding other people's progress by developing these odd, unorthodox play styles intentionally gimping themselves and wasting other people's time because "It's mah sub". Cheers.

[Freyt]

I vote Tank 2. Probably a more relaxed and fun run.

@Freyt. Yelling at someone is communication. It just might not be very effective communication.

Communication is a two way street. If you yell at someone, you are refusing to accept their input while forcing them to accept your output. There are times when this is acceptable, such as relaying information to a crowd, or when there's an emergency. On the other hand, a crowd going silent to let someone speak to them is a form of communicating that they are ready to listen.

There are plenty of nuances, but shutting someone down will never be communication.

[Shouko]

I remember this mentality in WoW raids, but not as much in dungeons.
So, based on my personal experience (which doesn't amount to much as it's all anecdotal), I would be led to believe that FF14's mentality might actually be worse.
And considering what I've seen my husband, who always mains a tank in games he plays, encounter doing leveling dungeons & trials, it doesn't make it seem any better... :/

What I meant by the WoW mentality is the constant silence and need for faster runs, not talking to each other, pug everything and everything else. The game became far too hand me everything so i don't have to work for it mentality, if you played it in Vanilla it was a time waster, it took ages to get anywhere and we were fine with that. You had to earn your gear, aka dungeons only dropped blue, raids dropped purple, blues were extremely rare outside of a dungeon, purples were exceptionally rare.