DPS is the job of DPS.

[KageTokage]

There was a hard solo mission in 4.1?

I didn't even notice =(

People have apparently been having trouble with the solo duty because of the orbs being an instafail condition that can't be mitigated by the Echo boost or better gear.

[Ilan]

People have apparently been having trouble with the solo duty because of the orbs being an instafail condition that can't be mitigated by the Echo boost or better gear.

Are you talking about the duty where you have to catch all the orbs before they hit the npc's? And if yes: What the hell is hard on that?

[Jijifli]

Are you talking about the duty where you have to catch all the orbs before they hit the npc's? And if yes: What the hell is hard on that?

Because the NPC's can't just do the mission for you.

[Ilan]

Because the NPC's can't just do the mission for you.

Must be really sad if someone plays like that.

[ChocoFeru]

It's easy to understand if you look at it realistically:

- If you queue alone with random people, you can't argue, for you were the one who accepted the random queue.

- If you make a partyfinder specifying you want everyone to DPS, then you can argue if somebody doesn't follow your specific rule.


Whenever I queue for Leveling or anything, there are dungeons that are done in 15 minutes, while others on the same map lasts for over 30 minutes, and for my personal experience, the best you can do is just salute at start and point if a mechanic is done wrong. Don't waste your time about the DPS, just do your job the best you can to finish faster as possible.

You'll never change somebody's mind in a videogame, so every minute invested in talking about "a heal or tank should do DPS" is a minute lost forever.

[Shurrikhan]

It's easy to understand if you look at it realistically:

- If you queue alone with random people, you can't argue, for you were the one who accepted the random queue.

You absolutely can so long as the majority of those random people agree with you. Queuing randomly does not mean you are suddenly and uniquely not responsible to those around you.

If 3 out of 4 people want a quick and competent run, then you are obliged to as much. You can still refuse, at which point they'd have to weigh the urgency of their preferences against their perception of yours, and the value of their own desires against anyone else's, but you don't stand on any particular right, let alone just because you queued as a random.

[ChocoFeru]

You absolutely can so long as the majority of those random people agree with you. Queuing randomly does not mean you are suddenly and uniquely not responsible to those around you.

If 3 out of 4 people want a quick and competent run, then you are obliged to as much. You can still refuse, at which point they'd have to weigh the urgency of their preferences against their perception of yours, and the value of their own desires against anyone else's, but you don't stand on any particular right, let alone just because you queued as a random.

Maybe, but it was me who queued on random, therefore I find a loss of time to talk to a healer to make him DPS, or a Tank to switch to Sword Oath and stuff.

I still think that when you queue alone with randoms, that's the risk you get, and arguing doesn't make you any right and usually won't change anything. People will keep playing the way they want.

I'm just trying to explain that you can't force anybody to do what you think it's best. You can teach them if they do something wrong, or tell them the optimal way to play it. But getting mad at them seems a little overreaction and a waste of time.

That's why you should do a Partyfinder if you want to do something exactly as you want.

[Reynhart]

If 3 out of 4 people want a quick and competent run, then you are obliged to as much.

Technically, you are obliged to nothing. And, if SE actually monitored votekick, kicking someone because you want a faster run would be considered abusive.
Queuing with random means accepting everyone, or leaving by yourself if they doesn't meet your criteria.

[MoroMurasaki]

Technically, you are obliged to nothing. And, if SE actually monitored votekick, kicking someone because you want a faster run would be considered abusive.
Queuing with random means accepting everyone, or leaving by yourself if they doesn't meet your criteria.

Difference in playstyle says hi.

[Reynhart]

Difference in playstyle says hi.

Hi ! You're still not invited to the party of "valid-reasons-explicitaly-stated-by-Square-Enix-in-the-kick-window" ?
Lucky for you the vigil doesn't bother to check your ID when you show up.