Gearing and melding 3 healers at the same time

[kagemitsu]

Hey all,

I'm really sorry if this was asked a million times before, but I'd like to ask for advice on which way do you think it would be best to gear up for someone who plays all healers.

My main is AST, and at the moment my gear and melds are AST oriented, as in I tried going for Determination > Spell Speed > Piety both in gear and melds. I occasionally run the other healers as well and I feel like each one of them could use a different set of melds.

Do you think it's possible to get a gear setup that is "balanced" for all the 3 of them, or is it a lost cause and I'd better focus and play only one? Maybe a DET focused build is alright for AST and SCH, but WHM might benefit more from Crit?

Any thoughts? And thanks for the help.

[Taika]

There's this thread about healer melds on this first page: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%28Healers%29

Simple answer: Crit > Det

More detailed answer here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4464162

[Deceptus]

There's this thread about healer melds on this first page: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%28Healers%29

Simple answer: Crit > Det

More detailed answer here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4464162

This. Simple and effective for all jobs.

[Cynfael]

The short answer is that, healing-wise, you can get the job done with anything. Healing melds are highly subjective.

Crit tends to promote overheal, but it has synergy with Galvanize (obviously crit Adlo being the biggest example) and Nocturnal Field effects.
Determination is safe and consistent for both healing and DPS.
Piety is useful up until you no longer need more, after which point adding more is a waste.
SpS is something I find mostly inconsequential for healing, but it has value purely from a DPS perspective.
DH I haven’t played with much on healer yet; I don’t know the benchmarks for significant DPS gains. Healing-wise it does nothing, of course.

[Kabzy]

DH I haven’t played with much on healer yet; I don’t know the benchmarks for significant DPS gains. Healing-wise it does nothing, of course.

I can't say I did "extensive research" on this, but I did some dummy runs on my full DH build before I switched to Crit>Det. I actually saw a DPS increase when I changed to Crit>Det, which could either mean it's more consistent on healers and so better, or that the difference is extremely negligible based on how much DH we can actually stack. I'm going with the latter. Given that DH also doesn't affect our heals, I'm not too sure if it's even worth it on healers.

On that note, I'd say Crit>Det is always a good choice. But yes, there is no clear winner when it comes to healers I guess.

[miraidensetsu]

SpS is something I find mostly inconsequential for healing, but it has value purely from a DPS perspective.

I see some value for SpS for those healers wich rely on HOT (WHM and DiuAST), since it buffs a little efficiency of the Regens. But for SCH, it is almost purely for DPS (maybe it affects Whispering Dawn, but not sure).

Of course, it also drops (a little) the cast time of the heals, but the difference is negligible.

Edit: For progression and some specific fights, I saw people melding Vit on the right.

My personal preference right now is Crit > Det > SpS on the left and Vit > Crit > Det on the right

[Cynfael]

I see some value for SpS for those healers wich rely on HOT (WHM and DiuAST), since it buffs a little efficiency of the Regens. But for SCH, it is almost purely for DPS (maybe it affects Whispering Dawn, but not sure).

Of course, it also drops (a little) the cast time of the heals, but the difference is negligible.

I don’t have the numbers, but I’m assuming that the impact of SpS on HoTs is sufficiently negligible that you would have to deliberately stack it to see much of a difference (at which point everything else is low, thus defeating the overall benefit).

On the damage end you at least have some benefit for hard cast direct damage spells (assuming you can make use of the “extra” casts) on top of whatever boost SpS gives to DoTs. Either way I avoid SpS on my healers as much as possible and lean toward crit and det.

[EaMett]

All 3 healers meld the same except for piety. So find a piety level you're comfortable with and then Crit > Det the rest. I will add for full disclosure that there are no longer stat weights so Crit > Det is not how you want to go about it if you're trying to get the absolute max out of your melds and gear. But it's darn close enough.

[Kabzy]

Just to add to this a little, I would actually strongly suggest you don’t meld any Piety regardless of comfort levels. Any comp out there is bound to have a MCH or BRD, and if you pair their Refresh with our LA, you’ll literally never need the extra Piety melds. If you feel like you do, in the long run it would be more beneficial to learn how to MP manage better than it is to just slap on Piety and lose out on more Crit or whatever.

The only time this becomes void is when people are dying and ressing is draining everyone’s MP, however at that point nobody in the group has the right to complain about healers, providing it wasn’t your fault in the first place.

Edit: Just to clarify, I say this with my experience on o1-4 savage. I haven’t got far enough in Ultimate to see if Piety melds need to be a thing. But imo there’s no point to meld Piety unless it actually becomes an issue in the fight.

[era1Ne]

Edit: Just to clarify, I say this with my experience on o1-4 savage. I haven’t got far enough in Ultimate to see if Piety melds need to be a thing. But imo there’s no point to meld Piety unless it actually becomes an issue in the fight.

Even then, i'd never recommend piety melds, because you can just switch out a few gear parts to gain more piety. For progress an good idea and additionally you don't have to re-meld every gear, since you wont use some of them on your progress set and therefore can leave the melds be.

Do you think it's possible to get a gear setup that is "balanced" for all the 3 of them, or is it a lost cause and I'd better focus and play only one? Maybe a DET focused build is alright for AST and SCH, but WHM might benefit more from Crit?

Scholar should benefit more from crit, since crit adlo is awesome and the 345 scholar weapon has crit on it. Therefore you can reach an higher crit number with scholar than any other healer and crit gets stronger the more crit you have.