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[KaldeaSahaline]

I'd be 100% OK with shifting the game to a 0 DPS healing paradigm and a actual tanking paradigm.

In order to do that though you'd need to actually make those jobs engaging:

1) Healers would need to heal frequently and necessarily. No more only needing heals every 10s nonsense.
2) Give healers external cooldowns to help mitigate damage on tank/other parties mandatory for surviving tough damage phases.
3) Tanks would need actual responsibilities. Real aggro drops, dangerous enemy damage, active mitigation model (via rotation/abilities not long cooldowns). Interrupts, and CC needed and mandatory or else dire consequences etc. You'd need to have enemies and bosses need to be moved to control space, etc.

Would you be ok with the game design shifting this way? Anything less than this and you'll see an enormous exodus away from tanks/healers because playing these jobs would be absolutely mind-numbing.

[randoom]

Best way to heal or tank is a dead monster.

[Ilan]

It's time to kill this DPS meta dead. When tanks and healers are getting harassed for doing their stated jobs in an Expert dungeon, something has gone off the rails.

Over-reliance on DPS races in raids has spilled over into all other aspects of the game, and is causing needless stress among people who couldn't give two rats' farts about FFLogs or parses.

When a forum thread stretches 43 pages with wannabe pros relentlessly damage controlling for the DPS meta, something is seriously wrong with the direction of the game.

Tanking and healing need to mean something. That means dispensing with DPS races in favor of high or fast damage to tanks, requiring heightened attention to restoring HP or preventing damage.

Its also an option to stop watching netflix or playing facebook games, stop chatting during a dungeon and just focus on the dungeon itself. If you do all of that you are able to do some dps without any problems except the gear is so bad that the tank dies in an instant or the healer heals baby numbers.

I don't give a rats ass about fflogs in dungeons but i would die of pure boredom if i would just heal or just tank in a dungeon because i'm able to use more than just 3 buttons.

[Keridwyn]

Honestly I would have agreed with you prior to the change to cleric stance. I'm an average player. I'm not out to wring the most out of my class simply because I know I cannot. I live in a place where my ping is pretty much dirt and I suffer lag spikes tall enough to draw the interest of mountaineers. Do I screw up, certainly, I make some spectacular bonehead mistakes from time to time, but if I can throw some rocks at some mobs, anyone can throw some rocks at some mobs.

With all that said, I don't think the DPS meta is what's actually hurting everyone, I think it's the 'gotta go fast' mindset where if your dungeon isn't done in less time than it takes a pizza to be delivered then everyone is bad.

[hynaku]

Healers should only focus on healing its dps job to do most the damage on tank to hold the agro. Every time see whm use holy there is a delay before they can use a healing spell. So if a tank takes hard hit when there using holy they will die before they get chance to be healed. Happened to many times in parties been in and then group wipes.

[Shurrikhan]

Healers should only focus on healing its dps job to do most the damage on tank to hold the agro. Every time see whm use holy there is a delay before they can use a healing spell. So if a tank takes hard hit when there using holy they will die before they get chance to be healed. Happened to many times in parties been in and then group wipes.

That is absolutely untrue. The only "delays" occur after instant casts. As with any and all casts in this game.

[Jijifli]

So if a tank takes hard hit when there using holy they will die before they get chance to be healed.

Benediction

The Stun from Holy

Tetragrammaton

The tank has COOLDOWNS

Assize Heals too.

Honestly WHM are the one's that can aoe abuse the best because they have so many abilities they can use to get away with it.

[akaneakki]

Healers should only focus on healing its dps job to do most the damage on tank to hold the agro. Every time see whm use holy there is a delay before they can use a healing spell. So if a tank takes hard hit when there using holy they will die before they get chance to be healed. Happened to many times in parties been in and then group wipes.

You are so wrong on many levels, it's untrue what you say. You have tetra to instant heal, benediction (no you dont save this for boss fights only) The ''delay'' you speak of only after a instant cast and its with every spell in the whole gane. You clearly dont use WHM the right way, the way you explain things. This is like an issue too, too many ''only healing'' players barely know how to even play their class.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Healers should only focus on healing its dps job to do most the damage on tank to hold the agro. Every time see whm use holy there is a delay before they can use a healing spell. So if a tank takes hard hit when there using holy they will die before they get chance to be healed. Happened to many times in parties been in and then group wipes.

Holy -> (Swiftcast) -> Aero III -> (Assize) (Presence of Mind) -> Stone IV spam -> Cure II -> Divine Bension -> Tetragrammaton

I can also intentionally allow a tank's HP to plummet and use Benediction but the above will always be available for every pull. Either you had a poor WHM or the tank wasn't using their CDs efficiently. In the latter case, my job isn't to compensate for your deficiencies.

[Enla]

Holy -> (Swiftcast) -> Aero III -> (Assize) (Presence of Mind) -> Stone IV spam -> Cure II -> Divine Bension -> Tetragrammaton

I can also intentionally allow a tank's HP to plummet and use Benediction but the above will always be available for every pull. Either you had a poor WHM or the tank wasn't using their CDs efficiently. In the latter case, my job isn't to compensate for your deficiencies.

This, Holy has a Stun affect as well so it's an absolutely ESSENTIAL part of any WHM's damage mitigation kit. In fact Holy has saved many a run for me where the tank was convinced cooldowns were some type of venereal disease and took so much damage that I had barely enough time to register what was happening. Holy essentially allows a redo of the start of a pull, giving you precious seconds to top the tank and throw in some DPS whilst giving yourself time to assess the situation. Are there healers who still use the spell like it's 2.55 and the nerf never happened? Yes, but those are just bad players over all.