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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    I don't think one specific anecdotal example is enough to enough to disprove the whole "most likely better understanding" claim
    But the feeling that somehow unsynch made the people worse or is the reason for all those bad players cant also be truly proven. At least not until we have the exact data with numbers that show us that the amount of bad players increased drastically after the introduction of that feature. I mean I am not saying that this might not be good for some players and the way they play but at the same time not everyone that does it unsynch the first time is bad. We simply dont know.

    In the end this gives new people the chance to at least do that content once, without having to wait forever. This way people will not need to buy a jump potion to get beyond the content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chronons View Post
    Are you suggesting if I took two theoretical players, both starting the game rn, and have one run every piece of content up to current stuff synced and the other do it all unsynced, that there would be zero appreciable difference in their skill level or their ability to clear the new content?
    You could only do this if they have the exact kind of skill. Maybe the one that unsynch it, is already a bad player and would not have been better with synch. Maybe the one that will synch everything runs the stuff with friends that carry them through. I mean in my old FC we had some people that did stuff synch and yet they were horrible players who only got through it because the rest of us tried their best.

    This argument is something that I probably like to see with jump potion but in the end even if someone still unsynchs everything, if they take their time to learn their job they will not be much worse. But if you have a bad player who does not want to get better, nothing much will change that.

    I am not saying that unsych might not make it worse for some. But I dont believe that this is one of the main reason for the skill level of the player base. I find things like jump potions way bigger problems and even there you will have different kind of players.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 11-18-2017 at 08:21 PM.

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    Another thing I don't get.

    In ff11 it was a point of pride to say you could low man something or better yet solo it. In this game there is a whole leader board for POTD solo, with ranking and everything. Why not add something like that to other content as well. Like a speed run, JP typically like speed runs. That opens up a whole new ranking systems and bragging points.

    Instead of thinking of it as a negative think of it as a positive.
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    Extreme Primals are not part of the main story and that is really the place unsynced was designed for. If it is normal or hard, unless you really can't get a group (which with roulettes shouldn't be that hard) then it is a option. But, that is what it is, an option. Extreme Primals are all optional content. If you want a group that does it unsynced then gather a group together that will want to do it. It is optional content. Everything else is story content covered by the roulettes and can be done unsynced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draxxion View Post
    Extreme Primals are not part of the main story and that is really the place unsynced was designed for. If it is normal or hard, unless you really can't get a group (which with roulettes shouldn't be that hard) then it is a option. But, that is what it is, an option. Extreme Primals are all optional content. If you want a group that does it unsynced then gather a group together that will want to do it. It is optional content. Everything else is story content covered by the roulettes and can be done unsynced.
    Yeah that's how I feel about it as well. Extreme primals are a goal, not a main story thing where you're missing content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draxxion View Post
    Extreme Primals are not part of the main story and that is really the place unsynced was designed for. If it is normal or hard, unless you really can't get a group (which with roulettes shouldn't be that hard) then it is a option. But, that is what it is, an option. Extreme Primals are all optional content. If you want a group that does it unsynced then gather a group together that will want to do it. It is optional content. Everything else is story content covered by the roulettes and can be done unsynced.
    Meant synced at the end. Not unsynced. Can't edit from phone so sorry for the double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draxxion View Post
    Meant synced at the end. Not unsynced. Can't edit from phone so sorry for the double post.
    Use full site and you can edit on mobile.
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    Knowing the fight doesnt mean youll be better. Knowing the fight doesnt mean you'll remember mechanics.
    Uhh, yes it does. That's inherently part of what "knowing the fight" means.

    You think a party that steps into Ramuh EX for the very first time without any knowledge of it has even the remotest chance of doing better than a party that has the fight on farm?
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    Honestly, it really doesn't bother me. If I want to challenge myself, there's newer content I can use to accomplish the same thing; there's no reason for me to spend time on older content in the way you're suggesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keicho View Post
    its so useless in my opinion..
    u dont learn the fight, no fun.
    for me SE should do first kills only Sync doable.
    i also hate people mean fights are easy. then go in sync mean they can do it easy and then "oh this is hard" lol while looking for a group know wahts to do
    Didnt you make this exact thread a few days ago? Making a new one isn't going to make more people agree with you.
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    the problem is you did learn the fight years ago, got the achievment/glamour while learning the game.

    its just annoying to see how people overrole this while dont even know wahts to do in there.

    i was in ravana ex fight with 4 people in a farm group.
    people doenst wanted do it with 4 bcs they didnt know the mechanics there. well. "farm"

    horses was rly rare and cool, and i dont like people can get it easy now. and its not a statemant to say ,,well they want to come into the game" for me a mmorpg has to be long and difficult, tahts why i play this game. farm stuff while doing awesome hard raids and primaes. it looks like it gets from year to year more casual. which is bad. they should not speed up anima/ zodiac weapons. bcs you get the points easyly by dailys. they shoulndt do higher drop rate by horses and birds, and let player do solo lvl 50 extreme primaes and farm ponys. you just overrole everything then.
    idk why they do awesome and hard fights doable with less than 8 persons.

    Honestly, it really doesn't bother me. If I want to challenge myself, there's newer content I can use to accomplish the same thing; there's no reason for me to spend time on older content in the way you're suggesting.
    to be honestly? well then you dont deserve the horses/ birds or weapon glamour. you want stuck and do everytime the same in the game? every week the same raid? well. it would give you different in the game to do older fights in lvl 50/60 without unsync than only do the primaes and raids week and week again and role over older content in 2min. is taht realy the fun you want? im sure older player would agre^^


    did you ever sucess a raid? and you was like "yes i did it" ?
    do you have this feeling while do ramuh/ titan or raids in less mins with lvl 70 dont even get dmg to die? im surely not. you cant say "i did it" bcs u dont even know mechanics there.
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    Last edited by Keicho; 11-19-2017 at 01:17 AM.

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