SE better do something or the game will drop dead

[darkstarpoet1]

I agree a test server for the public would be the best approach to iron bugs out and for players to see if their concerns are addressed. However as they are currently rebuilding the server and engine we most likely won't see it until 2.0 (I have hope that it will come). So for now we will just have to live with this sytem.

I think you are missing the point Coglin is trying to make with trying out the content first. I think the scenario is first the battle system didn't please the mass so they wanted change. The Dev's then made changes based on input. So now he's saying that we should test out this content first to see if it addresses the concerns before writing them up again. So his approach is more along the line of:

1. Voice concern.
2. See Patch Note.
3. Try Content.
4. Voice moar concern.

Of course this doesn't mean it's not a good idea to voice concern between 2 & 3. Of course the concern should be valid. In this case the Dev's are supposedly following the concerns in step 1. I then believe we should at least try the content before getting too worked up about it and telling them the step they took to address is bad. If we simply follow the voice concern > patch note > voice concern > fix patch note > voice concern, etc. I'm afraid we will not have anything tangible to try. Text on patch note and actual game play might be very different since there is a lot of things to factor in that we might not see just by reading.

To derail a bit. It could be argued that we are then paying to be the gunnies pig, but I would say what is wrong with that? Currently implementation of a test server isn't feasible so the 'testing' being pushed to live server isn't inconceivable. Most update/patches system are like this anyways right? Even if the Dev's feel it's perfect the problems won't really show up until the public get a go at it.

you may be correct. i don't recall any question related directly to the battle systems in place so to say the majority of people wanted it is misleading. there was no question on auto-attack, none on actions, none on cross class skills, and none on battle regimens. what you did see was the people on the forums complaining constantly about those issues. the forums originally were only used by people that hated what was in place. i hardly ever came onto the forums when i was enjoying the game because i was busy in game enjoying things.

remember on the forums the people that are the most vocal are the ones that are not happy about something.

you are wrong on what Coglin states though. here's exactly what is stated.

"No offence, but when you wait till after the fact of the change, after not participating the the multitude of debates as they occured. It just comes off as alot of Johnny come lately whinning."

in other words the people that didn't like something were complaining about it before and got the change we wanted to you have no right asking for it to be different than us. you should have complained before they went in. he is doing the opposite of what you are stating.

the people that liked the systems we had in place were not coming onto the forums so those voices were not heard, for the most part. they should get the same ability to speak their mind after the changes are made that the people did to cause the changes had. their opinions should be just as viable about what the players want as the people that complained the first time. the first group tried the original things and didn't like them so came in here and said so while the others were in game playing and now they are coming in to have their voices heard after trying and not liking what was put in.

i'm not saying either group is right or wrong on any issue, but it's strange to have the people bringing up issues now being labeled whiners or trolls for doing the exact same thing the people on here asking for changes originally were doing. if someone likes or dislikes a system in place now they should be welcome to post feedback as much as the people were when the forums first opened with the original systems in place.

[knite23]

Makes me happy to see the SE Knights protecting the name of FF14 makes me proud wont comment on the previous comments i see i think enough of you have made your points valid /GCsalute