Red Mage could use some help.

[HaroldSaxon]

@Harold if you read what i posted i said Bard has way more utility, i did not say way more damage.. Just the way i worded it i guess
But the issue is jobs that have more utility and do more damage then those with less or no utility.
In the case of blm which does not have utility and smn has a good amount.
I am not saying Red Mage needs a huge buff as it is not horrid buuuut it should be doing at least on par damage with Bard and Machinist or slightly more

I mean, don't know how else you are supposed to take "Except there is the fact that Bard which has way more utility does more damage as does machinist...", but I word things badly too sometimes.

[JohnnyDevo]

I mean, don't know how else you are supposed to take "Except there is the fact that Bard which has way more utility does more damage as does machinist...", but I word things badly too sometimes.

"the fact that Bard, which has way more utility, does more damage. As does machinist."

Is probably how the punctuation would be used to clarify.

[TelosNox]

RDM was very strong at beginning and then scaled very bad with the tiers of gear. I bet it now will get even worse and RDM gets more and more behind.
I hope SE will realize at some time that this is not fair and can not stay as it is.

[Neela]

I bet it now will get even worse and RDM gets more and more behind.
I hope SE will realize at some time that this is not fair and can not stay as it is what they are actually doing at all with their caster cls'.

RDM wont fall behind with current caster-buff/nerf infos... at least not with 4.2 ^^'

[TelosNox]

75% Percentile of Omega Savage
SMN is currently at 4890DPS. Patch will nerf SMN about 2%, so still about 4800DPS + Utility
BLM is currently at 4577DPS. Patch will buff about 4%, so still about 4760DPS. Still behind SMN and no Utility
RMD is currently at 4300DPS and will get not changes. Worst DPS of ALL Dps Jobs with weaker Utility than SMN. And the Utility is still not even worth the 450DPS RDM is behind BLM (it effectively is only embolden).

I don't see any reason to bring a RDM into my Raidgroup. I would ever ever prefer any other Dps Job.

[Neela]

I don't see any reason to bring a RDM into my Raidgroup. I would ever ever prefer any other Dps Job.

well but thats, without being offensive, a situation RDMs have to face and most probably will face 4ever - their spot won't be an endgame dps cls. their potential shines in other aspects more than any other cls... progress, solo content, potd, map-dngs etc. And please don't restart the discussion if dualcast+verraise+vercure is weaker than devotion+con/radiant. There are enough threads discussing this matter and show that you actually can't compare their utility because they shine in different situations and tasks. (progress vs. farm)

Last point (a very personal one) is if you like to play RDM in raids just do it - don't be a worrier be a warrior. You don't have to be top end to have fun... ingame neither on pve nor at endgame/raids. Until now every Savage content was doable with every cls, yeah even ultimate – so give a shit bout statistics and numbers and just play what you like to play. If your mates have a problem with that... you don't have to look for another cls, you should look for new mates instead. but thats just me...

[Seferex]

if you like to play RDM in raids just do it - don't be a worrier be a warrior.

yeah.... try to say that to the one that tell you "no rdm thx" when asking for party... "Oh dont be a worrie, be a warrior! Cause i want to have fun, let me join your party please"....

In a single player game point of view your comment is more than welcome. But come on, in a mmorpg? No... just no... If you make a dps, you have to make it in a way that he can challenge for spots with the other dps too

[Zytoryu]

Last point (a very personal one) is if you like to play RDM in raids just do it - don't be a worrier be a warrior. You don't have to be top end to have fun... ingame neither on pve nor at endgame/raids. Until now every Savage content was doable with every cls, yeah even ultimate – so give a shit bout statistics and numbers and just play what you like to play. If your mates have a problem with that... you don't have to look for another cls, you should look for new mates instead. but thats just me...

When UCOB came out I looked for a static for a solid 2 and a half months as an RDM, over the course of those two Months I received two offers, both of which demanded I played Ninja or Summoner. I would happily still play RedMage regardless of what happens to it balance wise, But when you can't even get past step one (Finding a group) because the Job you wish to play as is bastardized and seen only as viable for a few weeks of progression, Thats when something needs to change.

[Neela]

if u based your main char on pf-demands its actually your own fault q.q – progress and in best case farming should be done with friends/fc/static first, and if you can't play the cls you like in that setup its not the fault of the devs but of people which are kinda ego. Rdms won't lose their spot, they will always be interesting with every new raid-tier patch, no matter how well other cls perform - they will have their spot for progression with every new content, thats how it is. :'/

[PrismaticDaybreak]

"That's just how it is" is a really poor argument for relegating a class to progression every patch.