Red Mage could use some help.

[EllieShadeflare]

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

...Are. Are you trying to seriously trying to use that comment out of context? Because YoshiP has also stated that RDM is a DPS class, with Black and White Magic referring to the fact that in lore, it's a hybrid of Amdapori and Mhachi magic, being able to use Thaumaturgy/Black Magic for Verfire, Verthunder and Verflare as well as Conjury/White Magic for Verstone, Veraero and Verholy. Its Vercure and Verraise are there for flavor and because it's expected from a Red Mage to have an emergency heal and a possible raise.

[TraeSnow]

...Are. Are you trying to seriously trying to use that comment out of context? Because YoshiP has also stated that RDM is a DPS class, with Black and White Magic referring to the fact that in lore, it's a hybrid of Amdapori and Mhachi magic, being able to use Thaumaturgy/Black Magic for Verfire, Verthunder and Verflare as well as Conjury/White Magic for Verstone, Veraero and Verholy. Its Vercure and Verraise are there for flavor and because it's expected from a Red Mage to have an emergency heal and a possible raise.

Doesn't matter. Vercure and Verraise are both utility that are added to the RDM kit. Utility takes away from your damage whether you use it or not.

[Dualgunner]

Doesn't matter. Vercure and Verraise are both utility that are added to the RDM kit. Utility takes away from your damage whether you use it or not.

Doesn't change that RDM is still a DPS, and as far as "utility" goes, they provide less than bard still, yet still do less than bard. Besides which, if it takes away from ones damage whether they use it or not, it shouldn't take even *more* away from one's damage when they have to use it. Any cast of vercure* or verraise is an opportunity cost of 9-11 mana and 230-300 potency, not to mention the cost to the least sustainable mp pool in the game.

Not to mention that, due to the lack of any dot whatsoever, any gcd that isn't damage drops RDM's moment-to-moment dps to 0.

*Not including casting vercure mid-transition to proc dualcast for when the boss drops back down

[TraeSnow]

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not against RDM getting buffed. They should be above Bard/MCH for sure. I'm just trying to point out that soooo many people in this thread keep complaining that RDM dps is so low when they only have Embolden for utility - but Vercure and Verraise are STILL considered utility - even if they aren't used. They are still there and people just overlook it completely by saying "We only have Embolden for utility."

[Dualgunner]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against RDM getting buffed. They should be above Bard/MCH for sure. I'm just trying to point out that soooo many people in this thread keep complaining that RDM dps is so low when they only have Embolden for utility - but Vercure and Verraise are STILL considered utility - even if they aren't used. They are still there and people just overlook it completely by saying "We only have Embolden for utility."

The problem is vercure as utility is weak. It's the potency of a cure 1 basically, and one could even argue that RDM has this in lieu of any other self preserving skills--ie Second Wind, Bloodbath, Manaward/wall. If one is extremely good one can do the one clutch heal needed to save a run, but honestly most of the time vercure is only used to proc dualcast, something that it doesn't need to be INT based to do.

The problem with balancing around verraise is it makes RDM a job for prog only: it creates a dynamic where, say, people who want to play BLM cannot during prog because RDM is so much better for it, and people who want to play RDM past prog cannot because it brings nothing beyond it.

That's why most of what I've seen from the forum RDM community has been "Nerf verraise and buff our dps and embolden."