Red Mage could use some help.

[SunahYhisa]

Maybe it changes later.. but every dungeon or trial I have done on my RDM.. I have come out on top on meters, and not even just a bit on top... im talking but a retarded amount of damage. So maybe they just plateau here or something but at the rate its going RDM are in a very good spot and I love it.

[Cynfael]

Maybe it changes later.. but every dungeon or trial I have done on my RDM.. I have come out on top on meters, and not even just a bit on top... im talking but a retarded amount of damage. So maybe they just plateau here or something but at the rate its going RDM are in a very good spot and I love it.

It changes.

I'm not saying all of this to poo-poo RDM, because I enjoy it, but its ease of progression (whether leveling, daily stuff, or raids) is deceptive. RDM looks impressive early on because it ramps up its damage rapidly without need for buffs, stances, or stacks. It's also extremely easy to pick up and be functional with compared to some other DPS Jobs, and it is punished minimally by most mechanics.

Where players are seeing a growing issue for RDM is at end-game, where their damage is noticeably on the lower end of the spectrum and where they eventually outlive their usefulness as a progression crutch. I can see why RDM might be in need of some small tweaks to close the gap slightly.

[EllieShadeflare]

The issue with it only being super useful during prog is you spend all your pages and stuff gearing it up just to swap it out later so you'd need to gear an entirely different class. Maybe just a flat embolden buff would help bc its dps is somewhat lacking when played on the highest levels and it will get worse as our gear gets better.

In all fairness, Red Mage's gear does interact nicely with Summoner's needs.

Black Mages though, don't benefit from the same things as Red Mage. Our build hinges highly on having a lot of Spell Speed, something both SMN and RDM don't benefit too highly from... or at least, not to the point of necessity.

Maybe it changes later.. but every dungeon or trial I have done on my RDM.. I have come out on top on meters, and not even just a bit on top... im talking but a retarded amount of damage. So maybe they just plateau here or something but at the rate its going RDM are in a very good spot and I love it.

Once you reach the endgame as RDM, you suddenly start noticing that while your damage "looks" good, other players who are as skilled and well geared as you are will rapidly leave you in the dust in terms of damage. At the 75th percentile, only Bards are lower than you. At max damage, only Ninja is below you. The main difference is that both of these classes also provide a boat load of party support that only benefits the team... while you're stuck with only Embolden which leaves out your Healers in its buff.

[Pastahnak]

Give red mage's some green magic oGCD abilities to help out other mages like how AST has that spell that basically frontloads their spells for more mobility but giving it to someone else or just in an aoe. Imagine being able to give casters around you total mobility for 15-20 seconds every 2mins or so, not only does this help you become more of that must have prog class, but ur now able to complement every class in the game in some way to make it at least considered for non prog things. Im sure there are other low level magic spells from other trees red mages can be given to add to their utility which is what the red mage should be.

[Dualgunner]

Rdm atm fills a very specific role, and it fills that role quite well, but most people who have rdm don't enjoy that role. A rdm allows prog groups to make it further into fights that would have been wiped a long time ago for more opportunities to learn mechanics in certain spots.

Their damage could use a slight boost, but the level of utility they bring could only be ballanced by being the lowest dps job. No other dps can redeem learning groups as hard as rdm.

I think this is the major issue I have right now. I thought I picked Red Mage, but I guess I picked Rez Mage instead.

Is rez dispenser a role that really needs filled anyway? And even if yes, is it a role that needs filling by a dps?

[Galvuu]

Make Embolden affect magic damage on the whole party.
Then bump RDM's personal dps a bit (like 200 dps at bis or something).
And now unleash the caster comp at last.

I feel bad for RDM mains because I fear some numbers taken into account when balancing used that stupid data with the old mana bug that painted an unrealistic scenario for their non-bugged dps...

[JohnnyDevo]

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Mobility is fine and all, but consider this:
Why should a good red mage do less damage than a good bard when red mage has less mobility and less utility than a bard?

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What fight are you referring to specifically where rdm out-does ninja? 'cause the numbers I'm looking at show that, in o4s, RDM is barely more than bard until 90%, where bard overtakes it and rdm stays solidly last from 90 to 100%.

[TelosNox]

I find it funny cause I piss off both SMN's and BLM's in the same party in savage content because I'm out DPSing them with the ability to raise people who don't dodge stuff and die to mechanics, throw out manashifts and lucid dream/addle and still come out the top dps under or above Samurai (depending on their skill rotation set and how common they're hitting, which is about 99% of the time).

Your best Parse is 65% and your party members are all below 20%. Enough said...

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/jFxw9...pe=damage-done
See this log: I am at 82% with Redmage in this log. The SMN is at 55% and is outclassing me by 300dps.
No: RDM is NOT ok

[zuzu-bq]

Why should a good red mage do less damage than a good bard when red mage has less mobility and less utility than a bard?

Because Disembowel and SE appearently hates casters. I was lurking on the JP forums for a bit and they had a thread just to talk about the balance issue of Physical powercreep vs Magical uselessness.

[Maero]

If you compare a good RDM to less skilled players, RDM comes out looking godly.

If you compare RDM to equally skilled players who know the fight and rarely make mistakes, RDM doesn’t look so great.

The devs have put themselves in an awkward position. RDM is difficult to balance in a satisfactory manner: it’s a fairly low-damage DPS Job with utility that is amazing at the start of progression and becomes more and more irrelevant as everyone skills up.

Very much this ^
Granted yes i out dps other jobs some blm, Nin and even Sam but the fact is someone that would know said jobs would out dps me, not necesarilly because they are better but because the job itself(Red Mage) is lower damage.
Same could be said if playing Blm