Red Mage could use some help.

[Syrus718]

can people stop calling for changes on classes and jobs that are fine like the Red Mage is fine please stop complaining about it. if you want to compare it to another job then go play that job everybody wants jobs to be the same. somebody parsed me and said you should be doing 4.5 K in this raid not 4.4 for legitimate complaints okay but all this crying I have a problem with it. If it don't apply Let it Fly

[EllieShadeflare]

Except the Red Mage is a significant underperformer, both as a support and as a DPS. It's not exactly a "BAD" thing to want balance, and it's something that any decent game designer strives for.

I mean, if we're the problem for "whining" about a class that has been proven to underperform in all areas, then what does that make you for complaining without anything to add to the topic? Like, no actual arguments or anything beyond "stop wanting things"?

[Zzzlol94]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

Dude, you're the person that wanted to nerf Vercure because RDMs can solo PotD. Nobody is going to take you seriously as far as balance suggestions and for the umpteenth time, the devs already said difficulty of gameplay is not something they balance off of.

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

You tried to use general FF lore and then failed miserably by forgetting this is FF14, White Magic is not limited to Cure, Protect/Shell and Esuna. In this game White Magic includes offensive Earth, Air, and Water Magic. By that logic you could argue Red Mage is supposed to be more powerful due to a more wide ranging repertoire of magic.

[EllieShadeflare]

Dude, you're the person that wanted to nerf Vercure because RDMs can solo PotD. Nobody is going to take you seriously as far as balance suggestions and for the umpteenth time, the devs already said difficulty of gameplay is not something they balance off of.

Summoner and healers can also solo PotD. Under that person's logic, they should all be nerfed.

With that said, it would be nice to have more difficult content, and perhaps more variety of content. BUT THAT'S AN UNRELATED COMMENT.

[Dualgunner]

RDM needs literally nothing. It's between a healer and a DPS in their DPS capabilities, it just so happens that's at the very bottom, where it should be. It's supposed to be a bad DPS and a bad healer. It's a trait of the class that SE won't change. It's also a class that toddlers can play optimally, buffing it would just be dumb.

Just...wow.

Sorry but no. In ffxiv there is no such thing as being "between a dps and a healer." It's a dps full stop. This is an mmo, not a single player rpg.

[TraeSnow]

Just...wow.

Sorry but no. In ffxiv there is no such thing as being "between a dps and a healer." It's a dps full stop. This is an mmo, not a single player rpg.

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[EllieShadeflare]

Oh? Because Yoshi himself said that RDM is half white mage, half black mage. Hence why vercure is INT based and they have access to Verraise. Also, even if RDM don't use Vercure, it is still part of their support kit, which takes away from their DPS output. Just because a class doesn't use their support skill, doesn't mean it isn't there.

...Are. Are you trying to seriously trying to use that comment out of context? Because YoshiP has also stated that RDM is a DPS class, with Black and White Magic referring to the fact that in lore, it's a hybrid of Amdapori and Mhachi magic, being able to use Thaumaturgy/Black Magic for Verfire, Verthunder and Verflare as well as Conjury/White Magic for Verstone, Veraero and Verholy. Its Vercure and Verraise are there for flavor and because it's expected from a Red Mage to have an emergency heal and a possible raise.

[TraeSnow]

...Are. Are you trying to seriously trying to use that comment out of context? Because YoshiP has also stated that RDM is a DPS class, with Black and White Magic referring to the fact that in lore, it's a hybrid of Amdapori and Mhachi magic, being able to use Thaumaturgy/Black Magic for Verfire, Verthunder and Verflare as well as Conjury/White Magic for Verstone, Veraero and Verholy. Its Vercure and Verraise are there for flavor and because it's expected from a Red Mage to have an emergency heal and a possible raise.

Doesn't matter. Vercure and Verraise are both utility that are added to the RDM kit. Utility takes away from your damage whether you use it or not.

[Dualgunner]

Doesn't matter. Vercure and Verraise are both utility that are added to the RDM kit. Utility takes away from your damage whether you use it or not.

Doesn't change that RDM is still a DPS, and as far as "utility" goes, they provide less than bard still, yet still do less than bard. Besides which, if it takes away from ones damage whether they use it or not, it shouldn't take even *more* away from one's damage when they have to use it. Any cast of vercure* or verraise is an opportunity cost of 9-11 mana and 230-300 potency, not to mention the cost to the least sustainable mp pool in the game.

Not to mention that, due to the lack of any dot whatsoever, any gcd that isn't damage drops RDM's moment-to-moment dps to 0.

*Not including casting vercure mid-transition to proc dualcast for when the boss drops back down