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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Lilila Lila
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 80
    The sheer combined uptime. I'm unable to get in game but devotion not only increases damage but healing too; radiant shield is one of the longest physical dps buffs in the game and boss pending gives tons of added potency damage on top of that. Compare that to blm's nothing and rdm's 1/6 uptime (20s / 2 min) on embolden.
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    Lina Kirell
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    Moogle
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    The sheer combined uptime. I'm unable to get in game but devotion not only increases damage but healing too; radiant shield is one of the longest physical dps buffs in the game and boss pending gives tons of added potency damage on top of that. Compare that to blm's nothing and rdm's 1/6 uptime (20s / 2 min) on embolden.
    Devotion is 2% on 1/8 affecting 8 people, Embolden is avg 6% on 1/6 affecting 4-5 people. And the way buff stacking works, point is on embo. Plus I don't know if you play SMN but timing it is a bit difficult (come on garuda, it is AN ORDER). So please, devotion is not "amazing". It is good utility. It is as it should have been from the start.

    Radiant shield is very good, but only a little better than contagion if you play contagion right. I think the 50 attack works on a cooldown as well (won't hit 8 times if 8 people take an AOE).

    So SMN has good utility, but not "amazing", otherwise it would have thrown off meta comp powerful synergy already.

    What I find very true that DPS of SMN is 200 to 300 points too high right now and he needs a nerf (but a smart one, a ceiling lowering without affecting the base).

    And the opposite for BLM, a 200 to 300 points buff (be it flat potency or a mechanic improvment)

    On RDM, a buff also (100- 200 points ?) cause it is true he is treated like a bard while having nowhere near the utility if no one dies.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Karshan View Post
    snip
    this is honest & true - would sign that tho.

    radiant counter physical dmg taken so no not all 8 grp member will trigger it and like Karshan said con can be better if you are able to time it right. and since when is dbl range meta? before ultimate dropped it cleary wasn't so what are u talking about gunner? : /

    @Galvuu

    get a clue about what? everybody knows why they changed their setup - I just said it wasn't meta before and nobody should assume that all player follow the meta, whats the point in your ultimate bla? that wasn't even the point. so maybe you should get a clue whats the point of the previous post was before brabbeling stuff in a whole different context.
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    Last edited by Neela; 11-23-2017 at 12:59 AM.

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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    @Galvuu

    get a clue about what? everybody knows why they changed their setup - I just said it wasn't meta before and nobody should assume that all player follow the meta, whats the point in your ultimate bla? that wasn't even the point. so maybe you should get a clue what you are going to answer and what not?
    Get a clue because you don't understand why dps compositions are the way they are for this specific fight.
    If you did, you'd understand why they can change their Paladin for Dark Knight without making a clear unlikely, and why they can't change any of the dps jobs for Black Mage.
    And you'd understand why this issue is very relevant on Ultimate.

    Also, these players- the super high end of the playerbase- are the people who define the meta. These people don't follow anyone, they're the ones that carve out the path that others follow.
    By definition, they are the ones to set what's viable and what's not. If a new meta comp shows up, it's because they figured out that it's better (although this wasn't the case, it was a player preference thing).
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The META (Most Effective Tactic Avaliable) is made by pure math. There will always be one team comp that is the best without any buffs or nerfs happening that composition won't change. Not only that but the meta party is far more significant than equiping a said BiS.

    Guy just played DRK because he liked it and the team was ok with it. While it can shorten up the clear chance a bit, it won't do it by much if the team is skilled enough. Now on the BLM side, everything else you remove for it makes you lose an extremely powerful ability for progression and in exchange you get nothing but a job that will either die surprised by mechanics you don't know or low damage to play safe and not die for those said mechanics.
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