BLM needs more damage

[Zerathor]

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no.
how much is utility worth? should red mage be doing as much dps as blm? should the job that can rez 5 people in 7 seconds if they really feel like it, be able to do as much dps as a job who ONLY HAS DOING DIRECT DAMAGE in their kit?

Having damage buffs for the raid justifies lower individual dps in other jobs like bard, as their group contribution can easily be counted with everyone's bonus damage added to theirs. Having survival utility like being able to rez and heal yourself/others as a dps, should be weighted as well. Now go sit down and think for a goddamn second here and focus on this question:

"OF THESE TWO CASTERS THAT DEAL EQUAL DAMAGE, DO WE WANT THE ONE WHO CAN REZ PEOPLE, OR THE ONE WHO CAN'T?"

its stupid. let blm have ANY form of raid utility and we can talk about it being OK that smn and blm have equal damage, but until then, blm needs to have more dps.

[Dualgunner]

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Just gonna say: raise utility is dumb utility. Red Mage shouldn't be as good at raising as it is, and the fact its damage is based around how much it can raise is what's led it to being one of the lowest dps at the moment.

I am with you in that Black Mage needs a lot of damage buffs. Hell, this whole "selfish dps" experiment might be dead now, seeing as the only two DPS who haven't seen an ult clear as far as FFLogs is concerned are SAM and BLM. It might not be, however. Either way, I would say the big problem between BLM and SMN is not "Which job has a raise? Take that one."

It's "Of the casters, which job has amazing damage boost utility, outstanding mobility, and does the most damage of any job in the game?" It's not Red Mage, and it's not Black Mage.

[Zerathor]

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I for sure understand the frustration with rdm's atm, but I firmly feel they should have the lowest personal damage for the level of utility they can bring. They should get buffed up in other ways though so they can be valuable to the party after the learning phase of fights. Like, increasing their party dps buffs to the point they'd increase party dps just slightly less than a bard.

[Neela]

It's "Of the casters, which job has amazing damage boost utility, outstanding mobility, and does the most damage of any job in the game?" It's not Red Mage, and it's not Black Mage.

so 2% of devotion is amazing hmm... : /

smn might be stronger than blm and more mobile than rdm yeah but I wonder why everybody said that we have "awesome" dps utility... radiant/con never have been an issue or any kind of argument in any caster-discussion so far - what leads us to devotion... and since its grp wide the pot is just lame - where do all the other caster/rivals see the so often called awesomeness in devotion? .___. (this question is serious btw...)

[Galvuu]

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Yes, let's ignore Contagion/Radiant Shield, which is probably what he was talking about.

[Sunako]

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So you want good players be punished if job offer something for bad players?

[Zerathor]

So you want good players be punished if job offer something for bad players?

so you want blatantly unbalanced jobs where you just get to have smn just be a better black mage with zero compensation? Your job has the utility. Its not a lot of utility, but its some utility.

I don't understand why its so difficult to comprehend this basic concept that pure dps, should have the most individual dps, by a considerable amount. Its not rocket science, its basic, its simple, its what allows them to be a competitive option against jobs that have utility.

Its always summoners who can't understand this as well. like they've been spoon fed for almost 2 years as the primary casting role, and now they're terrified of the other casters being relevant. Even the very idea of making other casting dps viable terrifies a smn. We want to talk about the true "selfish" dps caster, it isn't black mage.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

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Raising 5 people takes at least 20 seconds because it's 2 GCDs per Raise as well you have to wait for Lucid Dreaming to refresh your MP for the 5th Raise because you can't Raise 5 people with your full mana pool. You can't even Raise 4 people since Verraise is 25% of your mana and you have to use a spell before it to Dualcast it. Nobody uses Vercure for spot healing, it's more efficient to let healers do it as well most healers will get mad at you for doing it instead of DPSing. Red Mage has nowhere near the amount of raid utility that Bard does but for some reason we actually have lower damage than them.