BLM needs more damage

[Neela]

You know damn well blm has been less valuable than smn since heavensward came out. Pretty much all casters have been under the boot since 3.3, but even under that boot, smn was ahead of blm. Even in the start of stormblood when your damage was behind, it was only by a small ammount and you still had raise.

Well thats actually not true we were behind on the release like always until they buffed ruin lll and gave our aoes the "i dont care how many targets" boni -> we became aoe Kings yes but Blm was still stronger in single burst - actually they were a good balanced Team indeed but we definitly wasnt ahead so please dont even try whining bout that.

I can feel your current pain cause lol thats our usual life but you shouldnt fake passed situations like that ...

[Zerathor]

Well thats actually not true we were behind on the release like always until they buffed ruin lll and gave our aoes the "i dont care how many targets" boni -> we became aoe Kings yes but Blm was still stronger in single burst - actually they were a good balanced Team indeed but we definitly wasnt ahead so please dont even try whining bout that.

I can feel your current pain cause lol thats our usual life but you shouldnt fake passed situations like that ...

I was 100% accurate with my post. And smn should never under any circumstance have even EQUAL dps to blm. Aoe or single target. Lose resurrection and we'll talk about ballance.

[OgruMogru]

Cmon u know why that’s the case... smn are always fucked up after every major patch - can u say the same bout Blms? If u are honest Blms never have had this problem they currently have. It’s kinda funny how most of them react right now if they can’t just say, like they always do, “Deal with it“. - Never the less Blm will be top caster again soon even without all these threads... after all it’s Yoshi, isn’t it? Just lean back and wait...

Blms have had to learn to lean back and wait because thus far it's always been Smn making the most noise. They cry constantly and I'm not saying the complaints were not valid because they absolutely were and I'm really genuinely glad Smn is in a great spot right now. Maybe Blms should start haranguing Yoshi P at every Q+A and liveletter asking the same questions over and over for the next 3 years and we'll actually get some of our issues addressed. If we can compete against Smn still crying over Egi glams

[Galvuu]

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You clearly weren't here for HW release, where we became completely immobile coming from ARR (we barely had procs due to F4 being the primary spell), we had utterly no spellspeed and incredibly tight timers (AF/UI were 10 seconds back then) the there was no Between the Lines to salvage a bad Ley Lines (making us even more immobile). The job was so utterly broken they had to fix it by extending the AF/UI timers to 12 seconds. 3.0 BLM was a horrid mess and there was a lot of disheartened Black Mages back then.
We're just normally quiet about it.

I find this so incredibly hypocritical too. Is complaining about job issues a summoner exclusive? Do you gloss about the issues other jobs have, or is selective memory at play? Bard had issues with WM when it came out (dps loss in 3.0), BLM had the issues I mentioned, MCH and all around low baseline dps and old hypercharge wasn't that good, AST was borderline unusable until 3.2 due to rng cards and very low potency on the healing spells. Many other jobs have issues on each expansion- I can extend the list, if you want to. 2.0 War, Brd stacking in very early ARR (limit break penalty is here for a reason), Nin eclipsing other melee on release, Drg's 4 patches of uselessness, Smn being terrible at the end of ARR, MNK dealing less dps than DRG with almost no support on HW release... Hell, Black Mage had the same issue of tight timers in 3.0 and 4.0 (and twice they had to extend AF/UI duration to accommodate for it). This is an illusion you have that "only summoner has it bad". Most jobs have it as bad at one point or another- and in term of "high highs" for patches they're good on, Black Mage has seen any limelight since god damned Gordias.
Making a thread highlighting job issues for the unhappy Black Mages (possibly the worst job in the game right now, and I'm confident almost no one will clear Ultimate with it except maybe at the end for the challenge), or Monks, or Samurai, or Red Mages is important so the devs take notice. It was fine when we had half the threads on the front page (and even in Reddit) being basically "fix summoner" or "buff summoner" though, right?

This isn't a competition. While I also have some interest in the state of Red Mage and Summoner (and, I guess, Bard) because I play these jobs, it's not about pushing one out in favour of the other (which is the issue now). It's about being able to excel regardless of my choice of job.

And this "Yoshi plays BLM he'll make it op" talk is utterly dishonest. He's not a particularly good Black Mage to begin with (he doesn't have the time for it, most likely), which already limits his ability to understand what the job actually needs- and if he was favouring it, we wouldn't have the issues we have now, nor issues at HW launch, nor have fallen out of favour at the end of 3.3, nor being one of the worst jobs during Creator (arguably worse than summoner, mind you, which was favoured back then for progression).

(And if I had to put my finger why Summoners complain the most is because the job has one of the weakest identities out of all jobs. Is it a dot class? Is it pet class? Is it a sustained dps with ramp class? Is it a burst class? Is it selfish dps? Is it support? It's been all of these at one point on another. Hell, when I started playing, people mentioned Summoner's "long ramp time" of like 3 minutes to overtake other dps. Come HW, and it's a job with clear burst windows. In both cases, it's dot-centric job with a priority queue and mostly selfish dps. Now it's about summoning Bahamut in precalculated windows with some support tools... the job changes flavour every season, so when it's not the flavour a portion of the summoner playerbase enjoys, they complain- with every right to do so, and I'm glad they do since it did work to some extent).

[dinnertime]

Whms and Smns that stomp in and demand everyone else stop complaining?

Nobody is really stopping you from complaining.

[OgruMogru]

Nobody is really stopping you from complaining.

They could never! Forreal though you don't see how blanket statements like "all content is clearable by any class" only serves to be extremely frustrating and dissuasive? It's a just not...constructive in any way and sadly, the majority of people I see that just roll into threads of great ideas and lamentations just to drop this awesome little distillation of ultimate foresight and perspective happen to be smn and whm. I'm sure it's not literally the case and I suppose I'm gonna have to point out now that most of what I've said has been hyperbole. Shouldn't have to, but here we are.

[dinnertime]

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Yeah. While it is true that you can clear content with any job, it doesn't mean the jobs have no problems.

I mainly play both WHM and SMN and I support jobs that are behind like BLM getting changes to make it desirable and better.

[CaTi]

Meh wouldn't say damage is the big BLM problem so much as trying to be a turret in a game with a lot of movement mechanics. That's probably what needs sorting first. Not getting shafted by ley lines seeking AoEs would boost damage a lot in and of itself

[zuzu-bq]

Turret game is not the issue. The issue is that when you do the turret game, your damage is too low.

[Maero]

Agreed with Zerathor, he speaks the truth