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  1. #1
    Player
    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    You can be top blm player and it would not matter is where we are at
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    Finkledoodoo's Avatar
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    Takamachi Nanohachan
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    You can be top blm player and it would not matter is where we are at
    Lol, how did that happen? Doesn't somebody over there have a math degree? Sounds nonsensical, like not realistic or selling an unfinished product... Are we sure that this is the case?
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    Llugen's Avatar
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    Zera Vyre
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo View Post
    Lol, how did that happen? Doesn't somebody over there have a math degree? Sounds nonsensical, like not realistic or selling an unfinished product... Are we sure that this is the case?
    Listen, Finkle, with all due respect, this thread is about BLM being severely outweighed at endgame with perfect efficiency in mind. I don't mean to offend, but what you're trying to say is irrelevant to the conversation.

    We ARE sure that this is the case, and if you don't trust us, I suggest you research it a little more.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo View Post
    Lol, how did that happen? Doesn't somebody over there have a math degree? Sounds nonsensical, like not realistic or selling an unfinished product... Are we sure that this is the case?
    Every job but Red Mage and potentially Bard provides similar if not greater total damage, not counting any additional utilities.
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Every job but Red Mage and potentially Bard provides similar if not greater total damage, not counting any additional utilities.
    Bard provides more overall raid damage. More than Samurai even, I believe. Don't underestimate the 100% uptime crit songs and Battle Voice for burst phases, especially with a SCH and a DRG (the more crit you stack, the more value you get out of not only crit itself but also the DH from BV).
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Finkledoodoo View Post
    Lol, how did that happen? Doesn't somebody over there have a math degree? Sounds nonsensical, like not realistic or selling an unfinished product... Are we sure that this is the case?
    Yes it really is where we are at. Smn needed changes (blm was not perfect either) so the solution they had was to buff the crap out of it which in turn made both blm and Red Mage weak (moreso blm)
    Some in the smn community like to flash "blm is yoshis main so it gets all the love or will see changes soon" what they have done thus far and even going back to Heavansward shows otherwise

    What i will say however is Smn should NOT be nerfed, that is not how you "fix" jobs, blm needs buffs
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  7. #7
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    Llugen's Avatar
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    Zera Vyre
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Here's the hard truth: SMN in particular outweighs it in literally every scenario, so if you're going to play a caster and you're concerned about maximizing efficiency, don't bother playing BLM right now in speed runs or unending coil.

    BLM is capable of clearing savage but it is not "competitive" with SMN even outside of speedkilling, not to mention dealing will give you a massive headache while SMN is a breeze as such, so play in savage at your own peril.

    BLM is still formidable in level 70 dungeons and extreme trials, although SMN is still better here but it matters less.

    I WOULD NOT recommend playing SMN in anything that is synced below level 70, as not having Bahamut/DoT IIIs/other skills at level 50 or lower is a huge gimp and it's really obnoxious to play, so this content is where BLM "excels" over SMN (Mentor roulette, trial roulette, alliance roulette).

    BLM is mostly enjoyable to play save for dealing with movement mechanics, but it is falsely advertised as the strongest damage lowest utility caster. Meanwhile, who doesn't like using Deathflare and Enkindle Bahamut?
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    Last edited by Llugen; 11-23-2017 at 04:06 AM.

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    Lunafreya's Avatar
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    Ellia Lombardia
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    Lamia
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Idk I love when Foul crits for like 32k or more.
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    Character
    Rozeluxe Meitzen
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    I expect Summoner to be dialed back a bit however Black Mage needs more love. It should out damage Summoner for sure to compensate for its lack of utility and even more so for its lack of mobility. I think a balance between damage and mobility(or at least a way to compensate for moving) would help BLM greatly
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    Ohlala Chica
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    Zodiark
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    smn should stay where it is, but blm...
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