BLM needs more damage

[Llugen]

It's interesting because I remember reading somewhere that you "need" a caster for physical vuln down damage somewhere, but apparently not.

I'm a little on the fence for what they should do to diminish the physical meta but surely something should be done.

[Dualgunner]

From what I'm looking at here, it got cast 5 times and procced 107 times across all players. Looking at Summoner's damage in specific, it accounted for 50.3k damage.

Sorry if I'm slow here btw, on phone so fflogs can be... "fun" to navigate lol

[Neela]

well thats what I meant it wasn't about ultimate at all.... so we currently don't talk about the same point tho. and you haven't told me anything I wasn't aware about yet regarding the ultimate firsts grp. although it wasn't the point anyway to talk about ultimate in specification - what you say about "meta" is true, they try and error as well even more than the rest but (like you said yourself in this situation it was personal preference) even though it has nothing to say that the worlds first comp is automatically the new meta. maybe the same grp can do even better with another comp they haven't tried yet. anyway, on the other hand isn't it just lame to copy cat the big ones? we won't do that... can't understand that so many other not just do it (what they absolutely can if they like to) but praise it as well (whats bullshit imo...)...

[Galvuu]

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They did better with another comp. They reoptimised the fight and went with MCH/BRD/DRG/NIN for dps and got a faster clear.
This game is ultimately mathematical in nature if you assume people are executing to near perfection.
When you get to that level of play, it's not about what you want or like.
It's about "is the dps number big enough to beat the fight or not?".
If the answer is "it's not" 99% of the time you put a specific job in, that job isn't viable. And that seems to be the case right now.
And that's why these damage buffs are important.

[Neela]

When you get to that level of play, it's not about what you want or like.

im not talking about the worlds first competition but about everybody else who make the lemming move... out of the world firsts your described "lvl of play" is all about having the biggest balls not about the last missing 2% to clear a content – taking ultimate aside (just in case you'll take a 3rd move on ultimate) every comp can clear every content with enough training/muscle memory - their is no need to praise a meta and make fun of those who don't run this meta, is it? well maybe it is... ^^'

[Lina_Slayer]

The problem right now is that clearing any 8-man content with a BLM is like putting a challenge on your group, it's like playing FFVI without using Ultima spam or things that are even more powerful, because you love the game but think it makes it too easy (been there done that), it's a job that is clunky for the group to play with, it has 0 utility, is more punished by mechanics than any class and ppl can't even claim it's easy to play to compensate because if you look at fflogs you'll see that the lower the percentile the worse BLM is doing...

It's by any objective metric the worst job in the game, and the only saving grace it has is that it's actually fun to play (IMO), but even then most healers think it is unfun to play with a BLM and for sure it's not fun for the entire group when you enrage at 1%, when I play my black mage I really think i'm having fun at others expense...

[Llugen]

....when I play my black mage I really think i'm having fun at others expense...

This. This right here.

There doesn't even NEED to be another reason to fix the job (although there are probably about a dozen). Nothing more even needs to be said.

[zuzu-bq]

The problem right now is that clearing any 8-man content with a BLM is like putting a challenge on your group(..)

This is sadly a true for most groups, while that does hurt the community's perception of BLM... Even when the BLM is good andd the group is great, they would still be better off with any other mage. Or a Machinist.

...when I play my black mage I really think i'm having fun at others expense...

The truth SE doesn't want to deal with. On a casual level, the group will have a hard time understanding you'll do as little movement as possible and this might hurt them. On a high skill level, you'd be doing more damage as another job. Why even play BLM?

I WOULD NOT recommend playing SMN in anything that is synced below level 70, as not having Bahamut/DoT IIIs/other skills at level 50 or lower is a huge gimp and it's really obnoxious to play, so this content is where BLM "excels" over SMN (Mentor roulette, trial roulette, alliance roulette).

Doing the new rotation with Hearts feels absolute garbage before Triplecast and Foul. I usually just prefer RDM for sync content. The fact they didn't care to rebalance older levels and RDM does a lot more than everyone else earlier is also a facotor in that decision

[Lelila38]

when I play my black mage I really think i'm having fun at others expense...

Sign that too. The people from my static say they don't mind, but every time we wipe to enrage, I feel like it's my fault for playing a not effective class. I feel bad cause I'm putting my fun over theirs.

[Finkledoodoo]

So eh... from what I'm reading, don't play blm? I thought I was getting good and getting good was all that mattered. Are you telling me git gud is not a viable option?