BLM needs more damage

[Neela]

yeah I know it stacks but radiant/con usually only boost up to 3-4 grp member depending on party cons - while TA, Hypercharge and Embolden effect all 8 member. Devotions 2% effect all as well but is still not more effective than f.e. TA even if it stacks with RS/Con. – thats why im wondering everybody call it "outstanding" these days... : /

[Galvuu]

yeah I know it stacks but radiant/con usually only boost up to 3-4 grp member depending on party cons - while TA, Hypercharge and Embolden effect all 8 member. Devotions 2% effect all as well but is still not more effective than f.e. TA even if it stacks with RS/Con. – thats why im wondering everybody call it "outstanding" these days... : /

It boosts both tanks and three dps (so 5 people, 3 of which are dps players).
Nobody really runs double casters, so your comps are 2x melee + 1x physical ranged + 2x tanks or 1x melee + 2x physical ranged + 2x tanks or 3x melee + 2x tanks.
A good party should have 30~32k raid dps. Of those, 15k are the three physical dps and ~8k are the tanks. So your Radiant Shield falls on 23k raid dps, which accounts for roughly 75% of the overall party damage.
Just some napkin math to show how you can't disregard Radiant Shield because of your imaginary comp.

[Dualgunner]

yeah I know it stacks but radiant/con usually only boost up to 3-4 grp member depending on party cons - while TA, Hypercharge and Embolden effect all 8 member. Devotions 2% effect all as well but is still not more effective than f.e. TA even if it stacks with RS/Con. – thats why im wondering everybody call it "outstanding" these days... : /

In what world does embolden affect all 8 members? Lol

It affects the exact same people that radiant shield affects. Physical dps. The RDM itself is the only one who gets magic damage up.

And as I understand they stack multiplicatively, not additively though I may be mistaken.

[Neela]

and here we go again with meta(s)... why do u think that all grps run with 3 or even more melees? my own static goes with dbl caster rang/melee and I know at least 2 other statics which run dbl caster - oh and btw how "meta" was the worlds firsts ultimate clear grp again? so... "meta" is worth a shit... you just can't generalize party comps to "whats bis is" cause there are enough grps which run out of meta-comps.

[Lina_Slayer]

oh and btw how "meta" was the worlds firsts ultimate clear grp again?s.

Basically as meta as it gets bar DRK...

[Galvuu]

and here we go again with meta(s)... why do u think that all grps run with 3 or even more melees? my own static goes with dbl caster rang/melee and I know at least 2 other statics which run dbl caster - oh and btw how "meta" was the worlds firsts ultimate clear grp again? so... "meta" is worth a shit... you just can't generalize party comps to "whats bis is" cause there are enough grps which run out of meta-comps.

This is very simple. You either have enough damage to beat Ultimate enrage or you don't.
Have you seen footage of people killing Golden Bahamut? When he starts to channel the last Morn Afah and murders the party members one by one and everyone's scrambling to actually kill him?
The clears where as the final blow is dealt half the party has died?
This is how incredibly tight that enrage is.

I just looked up the difference in Paladin and Dark Knight damage for Deltascape on the max percentile, and it's around 50 dps. That's the difference between the two jobs played perfect (some favourable rng non-withstanding).
It's small enough that you can probably clear with either if mitigation isn't an issue.
Now try to convince me you can lose like 300+ raid dps and actually hope to beat that enrage.
You can't. That's why the dps comp for that fight is crucial.

(Please get a clue before posting nonsense that I fell compelled to clarify with a lengthy post -.-)

[OgruMogru]

and here we go again with meta(s)... why do u think that all grps run with 3 or even more melees? my own static goes with dbl caster rang/melee and I know at least 2 other statics which run dbl caster - oh and btw how "meta" was the worlds firsts ultimate clear grp again? so... "meta" is worth a shit... you just can't generalize party comps to "whats bis is" cause there are enough grps which run out of meta-comps.

Hm, that's weird, FFlogs only shows you running with single caster 2 melee 1 ranged comp. Peculiar.

[Neela]

Hm, that's weird, FFlogs only shows you running with single caster 2 melee 1 ranged comp. Peculiar.

weird that we usually don't upload our runs - except if someone tries something new and want to look at his statistic. so your stalking failed sorry.
like you would say my war is lvl 15 if you check my lodestone profile - without knowing that it was my HW main tank on a Twink.

statistics and profiles just tell half the truth - but well fflogs is the only source to follow hm, go on with that. ^^

[Dualgunner]

and here we go again with meta(s)... why do u think that all grps run with 3 or even more melees? my own static goes with dbl caster rang/melee and I know at least 2 other statics which run dbl caster - oh and btw how "meta" was the worlds firsts ultimate clear grp again? so... "meta" is worth a shit... you just can't generalize party comps to "whats bis is" cause there are enough grps which run out of meta-comps.

They ran Drg Nin Mch Brd for their dps comp fyi. The drk was the only oddity, everything else was meta to a t.

To answer Karshan I'm not an expert on summoner. As I understand it the 50 potency is not an "on cooldown" thing: I've been lead to believe that its 400 potency if all 8 are hit, though I'm happy to concede if I'm wrong.

Also embolden's equivalent is radiant shield, not devotion. Embolden is 1/6 while radiant shield can nearly reach 1/2, on top of devotion every two minutes. That's before we even consider the 5% healing buff as well. Granted you're fighting a pet, but all of this is well above and beyond what red mage brings in terms of damage utility.

[Karshan]

@ Dualgunner I understand your point about Radiant vs Embo.

About radiant, for exemple, on double roar on O1S I don't think it'll do 16 hits because 8 people got hit twice in a raw. Or if it does, it's on a queue system.

320 potency each raid wide AOE + 40 per auto attack on tank + 40 for any other attack one third of the fight is just too much, also given he naturally does about 30% more damage than Garuda.

On this parse it was up 100 seconds (5 times) which is 1/3rd of the fight and only did 68 hits.
https://fr.fflogs.com/reports/8vjz2J...pe=damage-done

Edit : @ Neela Double ranged has been meta for long, and SB didn't shuffle the cards. Well it did, broke War, MCH, SCH, but restoration happened and the top team (WAR SCH NIN DRG BRD MCH) is back up again, even with the nerf on disembowel.