why not let player rise to the challange

[Savagelf]

The first is new players — the simpler the system is to understand, the easier it is for them to progress. MMORPGs are already very complex, he says, so he wants to give people smooth growth based on their item level. The second is that his team expects people to focus on their lives and play other games between major content patches; anything that makes it harder for people to dip in and out is something the developers want to avoid.
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look i understand you want simpler job system but dummy jobs down to be to easy make it get bored to fast allow player to rise to challenge of jobs. if a job is to challange one put behind an expansion I find frustating that you never thought this.

if you have new jobs set lvl 30 this way it give players time learn or learning curve.
to set job at lvl 50 not much time learn they role. one set complex jobs to have lower lvl start point like lvl 30

[Vanitas]

Sad reality is that most people don't play this game for a challenge. A good percentage of the playerbase is very casual at core, of course this doesn't mean plenty of casual players don't enjoy a good challenge, but a large portion of the casual playerbase enjoy little to no challenge at all. It's just what they want and square must ablige if they want to keep that sweet cash flowing.
Being a mid-hardcore player myself it always tilts me a little that people are like that but I've come to accept it. That's just how most people enjoy the game and over complicating the game will just make subs vanish even more than oversimplifying it.

[Chiramu]

The thought about playing other games during content patches is a bit odd, majority of MMORPGs make content that make you stay in that one game to keep up to date. Even non-MMOs like MOBAs and Overwatch, produce their games with the intent you will be playing their game 100% of your playtime.

[JunseiKei]

Even non-MMOs like MOBAs and Overwatch, produce their games with the intent you will be playing their game 100% of your playtime.

And when you take a break from the game, whether forced or by choice, you really feel how you've been left behind. This sometimes leaves players feeling they simply won't ever catch up. So they leave completely.

Personally, I'm glad FFXIV follows this more laid back model. I can play other things, invest in other hobbies, work and still keep up with the game easily. Not to mention because of its laid back nature, I was able to convince friends that pretty much never touch MMOs, because of their commitments, to play.

"Dumbing down" is a perspective. For people that are more dexterous or simply have better hand-eye coordination, they might have little to no trouble completing tasks. People that have a hard time memorizing patterns or have slower reaction speeds might already find something that others might considering boring a challenge. While this entry in the series of Final Fantasy may be MMO, because of the series name it holds, it has drawn first-time MMO players to the field. The skill sets will not be the same.

[Tint]

The thought about playing other games during content patches is a bit odd, majority of MMORPGs make content that make you stay in that one game to keep up to date. Even non-MMOs like MOBAs and Overwatch, produce their games with the intent you will be playing their game 100% of your playtime.

yes and this game design of constant content lacks and people doing breaks makes it pretty hard to keep an FC or any sort of static active. wich leads to problems with randoms in the team-jump-rope-mechanic-style fights in this game and not many people want to mess with that (especially when you are not the best player), so they don't go into the harder fights and so they don't have a reason, and also not really a chance, to become a better player. so square has to tune the classes and the fights down that you can easily clear the content with randoms.

[Nora_of_Mira]

The thought about playing other games during content patches is a bit odd, majority of MMORPGs make content that make you stay in that one game to keep up to date. Even non-MMOs like MOBAs and Overwatch, produce their games with the intent you will be playing their game 100% of your playtime.

It's actually a very realistic portrayal of "game hobbyists". the modern gamer DOES play more than 1 game at once and Yoshi knows that. It's only the tail ends of the bell curve (super casual and super hardcore) that tend to only play 1 game for months at a time, due to preference or life situation. I would get so bored with FFxiv if it was the only thing I played, so I jump between it, my Switch, my ps4, and other PC games.

[silverlunarfox]

The thought about playing other games during content patches is a bit odd, majority of MMORPGs make content that make you stay in that one game to keep up to date. Even non-MMOs like MOBAs and Overwatch, produce their games with the intent you will be playing their game 100% of your playtime.

I actually prefer this approach. It allows me to catch up on my game backlog. But I must differ on Overwatch. People generally only massively play during the start of competitive (and if youre high enough just a few times a day) or during seasonal events. Other than that, there's little incentive after a while to play 100%. Thats why I like the way FFXIV is because I can play Overwatch, Assassins Creed, and other games in between patches (aside from doing the FFXIV dailies). It's not so much as being a casual as it is, well sometimes theres just not enough time to play everything, and I'm glad they understand that. This way I don't have to choose one over the other.

[blindfoldedkaos]

FFXIV: ARR was designed to be a casual themepark mmo, you come, ride for a bit till you start to burn out, and take a break (yoshi even prefers people to take breaks) massive burnout sucks it makes you not want to play any more ever, it happened to overwatch too, where a large base left due to massive burnout.

They add hardcore stuff occasionally for those who want a challenge, but they wont base a whole job around it.
They set the SB jobs at 50 so people could easily grind the levels for the new content, unlike all the backlash they got in HW for their jobs starting at 30.
because once again, this is like a ride, you come, you experience all the rides, and when you have your fill, you leave, and they rather you leave happy rather than angry.

[Doozer]

They set the SB jobs at 50 so people could easily grind the levels for the new content, unlike all the backlash they got in HW for their jobs starting at 30.

I was kind of disappointed when I found that out. I was looking forward to slowly leveling and learning the two new jobs one new skill at a time, but instead it plopped me down at level 50 with dozens of skills I didn't know how to use.

[Rita1989]

I was kind of disappointed when I found that out. I was looking forward to slowly leveling and learning the two new jobs one new skill at a time, but instead it plopped me down at level 50 with dozens of skills I didn't know how to use.

Both jobs were designed that they are very easy to pick up and play at 50 and slowly introduce their more complex stuff as you level.

The only difference if it started at 30 is you would have incomplete combo's and a couple of abilities missing which makes it so you don't get a proper feel for the job until 50 anyways...