Tank dps harrasment

[Arkturius]

Endplay the more you learn and develop your rotation the more desirable you are for parties across the board

[Arkturius]

yes and no. You can't use parser/fflogs to kick ppl as those are against the tos. And would be consider vote kick abuse if you do.

Yoshi-p clearly stated using parser is a "don't ask don't tell" to not abuse it. Keep that talk in your static, not some random pf.

Actually yes you can as long as you list it as difference in playstyles

[Arkturius]

I wouldn't hold your breath. Players like him enjoy blowing things out of proportion, taking things out of context and twisting words to fit their narrative. He's going to keep making baseless assumptions on your skill as a player based on mere conjecture. His posts and people that post like him serve only one purpose: to stir the pot and troll people. Your better off ignoring anything hw posts. Sorry about your rough groups, just keep doing your thing. If you have that many weapons from shinryu, you clearly know what your doing. Take care.

Its not trolling hes just stating a fact that if its happened more than once there is clearly a problem on the OPs side

[Arkturius]

I ask again nicely, please stop I didn't mean for this to become a parser/anti parser thread I just wanted to know why it was acceptable to get kicked out of dungeons/groups for tanking in shield oath and not doing "X dps" (or in my mind high end savage world first dps). But as I just asked, please just drop it I don't want anyone to be fighting.

Its just a difference in playstyles in order to counteract being kicked so much just work to improve your dps people wont change and the game is designed around healers and tanks doing more dps than youd think self improvement goes a long way and curbs what has happened to you as for df stuff and hunts noone knows but you may or may not have been the problem all it comes down too is the community said nay so just try you best to fix it

[Joe777]

If a Party Finder wants only people with good numbers on FFLogs they should state that in the Party Finder. Not doing so and suddenly kicking someone that joined for having bad numbers is indeed something they can be reported for. Frankly, as has been stated already, FFLogs is not condoned by Square Enix and therefore using it to judge people and exclude them for having bad numbers is a reportable offense, solely for using FFLogs as a reason. You say "git gud, problem solved", I say "griefing, report them". Simple as that.

[shao32]

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let me show you.

After 2 years tanks are being prove tanking on dps stance are much more rewarded that tanking on tank stance, why? Bcs you can survive and keep emity pretty easy without It, dps stance is meta, the dps gain is masive and the performance betwen both stances is unbalance.
while most ppl dont really care for others is like you being lazy or you dont know how to play you job properly.

As a tank main Who clear all excep ultimate i hate a lot this meta, but i accept the reward on follow It is pretty Big and tank stance tanking is almost pointless, unless SE change It theres is nothing we can do.
saddly there is no middle ground on this matter, if you follow the meta properly you can avoid all the drama from those Who Kick You, but if you stay on shield for everything Well... You have to pray the Next party only have ppl Who dont mind.

In the end its not a question ppl dont like you tank style (the whole thing of "tanking Styles" its just stupid) its a question of you tanking in a ineficient "Style" and some ppl dont like that.

[Arkturius]

If a Party Finder wants only people with good numbers on FFLogs they should state that in the Party Finder. Not doing so and suddenly kicking someone that joined for having bad numbers is indeed something they can be reported for. Frankly, as has been stated already, FFLogs is not condoned by Square Enix and therefore using it to judge people and exclude them for having bad numbers is a reportable offense, solely for using FFLogs as a reason. You say "git gud, problem solved", I say "griefing, report them". Simple as that.

The issue is people don't play jobs as intended or designed tank stance is literally only useful for prog or casual content outside of that using it just slows down everyone we will take fflogs out of the equation and just state op was literally in tank stance the whole time i will state personally outside of initial pull i will kick anyone doing savage content purely in tank stance

[Joe777]

The issue is people don't play jobs as intended or designed tank stance is literally only useful for prog or casual content outside of that using it just slows down everyone we will take fflogs out of the equation and just state op was literally in tank stance the whole time i will state personally outside of initial pull i will kick anyone doing savage content purely in tank stance

If someone in the group can do better it is within someone's rights to inform them where they can improve, with or without a parser. It's using the parser to judge people that is the violation. Now if after suggesting improvements they refuse to change/do better then you can kick them and they can't say otherwise. I myself sometimes notice someone using an improper rotation in a dungeon and give advice and tips and then let them grow off that at their discretion. It's just a dungeon, no big deal. If they haven't improved though by the time they got to endgame content, well, I tried to help them but they didn't take it to heart apparently.

[Arkturius]

If someone in the group can do better it is within someone's rights to inform them where they can improve, with or without a parser. It's using the parser to judge people that is the violation. Now if after suggesting improvements they refuse to change/do better then you can kick them and they can't say otherwise. I myself sometimes notice someone using an improper rotation in a dungeon and give advice and tips and then let them grow off that at their discretion. It's just a dungeon, no big deal. If they haven't improved though by the time they got to endgame content, well, I tried to help them but they didn't take it to heart apparently.

Or kick the person for difference in playstyles and replace them with someone else immediately as long as you dont say hey your dps is rubbish it has no link to parsing due to the nature that parsing is treated its safer to just kick instead of saying anything

[ElHeggunte]

Are we certain that FFLogs are against the ToS, because that sounds like pure speculation to me. Parsers, yes, are technically against the ToS, but as FFLogs is only an information dump I can't for the life of me see how looking at that and using the information provided is against the ToS in any way. Not without being able to prove that the person using the information is the one who parsed and submitted it in the first place.