Tank dps harrasment

[HazyAssaulter]

Sorry, but even though OP mentioned an EX primal they also mentioned being kicked for simple dungeon runs over it which is ridiculous. A tank in tank stance still does DPS so it isn't like they would do zero, it just isn't as much as DPS stance. I mean I totally advocate tanks to learn when they can use DPS stance instead to do more damage, but kicking or trying to force it on people in dungeons is just silly.

I never said anything about anything except OP's griefs about getting kicked from a shin PF.

[Lilseph]

Any form of harassment is against the ToS. Again, some people are truly try-hards when it comes to fflogs and letting that attitude bleed in DF (specifically for dungeon roulettes) just tells you what kind of people they truly are. True, being kicked because of that sucks, and can be reported ONLY if they openly mentioned they were using a third party tool. However, people's attitude will never change no matter what you do. I'd like to mention that both sides of the spectrum are equally bad, the toxi no-parser attitude vs the omg-parse attitudes are equally annoying as f. There's a nice middle ground where people parse when it matters and it's only concerned about DPS when it matters. Or people that just don't give a flying f*c* and just play the game.

[HyoMinPark]

If you are parsing grey on fflogs, you are being carried by those in your party who are not. No assumptions being made

Honestly, unless the OP was advertising for a static or wanting to become some bleeding-edge raider or boasting about how they were the Big Cheese of Tanks, FFLogs and numbers and percentiles really don’t matter for those who are more casual-oriented, which is what I think the OP is. I don’t use casual in any sort of derogatory sense here—they are just not a person that want to min-max or run Ex trials or Savage in any sort of speed/parse run sense (which, btw, they mention nothing about Savage so bringing up V4S and tank stance usage in V4S is completely irrelevant to this conversation).

Again, unless the OP is failing to mitigate, losing hate, or dying to stupid stuff, I would not consider them being “carried” in a PF ShinEx farm group. “Carried” is when you literally have zero clue as to what you are doing, and make the 7 other players do all of your work for you. Could they have not-grey parses? Sure. But unless they are losing aggro IN stance, and taking a lot of unnecessary damage/dying a lot, they aren’t really being “carried”.

People can post numbers for Ex trials all day long on FFLogs, but really, the raiding community doesn’t put as much stock in them as they do actual Savage content—Ex trials have become extremely midcore-bordering-on-softcore as of late. And even then, a serious raider won’t just look at a number and say “oh well you’re grey so you automatically suck”—they will look deeper: did the person die, what was the comp, what were the healers doing, etc.. But again, I digress, because this conversation is not about Savage.

[Selova]

snip.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Players like him enjoy blowing things out of proportion, taking things out of context and twisting words to fit their narrative. He's going to keep making baseless assumptions on your skill as a player based on mere conjecture. His posts and people that post like him serve only one purpose: to stir the pot and troll people. Your better off ignoring anything hw posts. Sorry about your rough groups, just keep doing your thing. If you have that many weapons from shinryu, you clearly know what your doing. Take care.

[HazyAssaulter]

Honestly, unless the OP was advertising for a static or wanting to become some bleeding-edge raider or boasting about how they were the Big Cheese of Tanks, FFLogs and numbers and percentiles really don’t matter for those who are more casual-oriented, which is what I think the OP is. I don’t use casual in any sort of derogatory sense here—they are just not a person that want to min-max or run Ex trials or Savage in any sort of speed/parse run sense (which, btw, they mention nothing about Savage so bringing up V4S and tank stance usage in V4S is completely irrelevant to this conversation).

My point is more that people who are hosting PFs have the right to kick anyone, for any reason. If the host of the PF isn't allowing anyone in who is parsing low, that's their prerogative. OP seemed to feel that he shouldn't be judged by his DPS, and I did my best to explain the situation.

[Hannia]

"DPS is just the DPS's responsibility" is the worst mindset to have. DPS is everyone's responsibility. If OP doesn't want to be discriminated against because of his fflogs rankings, he needs to git gud and improve them.

I never said anything about anything except OP's griefs about getting kicked from a shin PF.

I ask again nicely, please stop I didn't mean for this to become a parser/anti parser thread I just wanted to know why it was acceptable to get kicked out of dungeons/groups for tanking in shield oath and not doing "X dps" (or in my mind high end savage world first dps). But as I just asked, please just drop it I don't want anyone to be fighting.

[Shurrikhan]

I can only assume that they felt they could complete the dungeon in a significantly faster time with virtually any other tank, despite that replacement being equally random (meaning the stochastic average must have been well above, as their next replacement would have a guaranteed 5 minutes before being kickable, too) and requiring additional queue time, or they had a tank friend ready to go who they didn't bother to wait for or hadn't yet logged in previously, and were therefore more sensitive to any inefficiencies.

If the prior, though, I have to ask: Were you being disturbingly overcautious in your use of tank stance and excessive in use of enmity tools? Because, unless the run would literally be faster with another healer or DPS instead, I've yet to see a tank kicked for not dealing enough damage in a simple dungeon, despite having done thousands of dungeon runs. And even that tends to be because they're going afk all the time or are otherwise very slow to pull, making the time consumed absolutely apparent, not because of DPS itself.

...That or because they wanted to quickly get a friend their daily roulette bonus (I've reported several of these cases to no avail, after losing 1 to 2 in a kick vote just outside the final boss room over an until-then smooth run and having to wait for their friend to show up).

[BigRed5392]

snip.

calling out bullying behavior does help. And I personally never seen toxic "non parser" just ppl having a different opinion, and being insulted for it.

I wrote earlier that i personally don't care if tank stance dances or not. If they doing their tank role that is all i care about. This is my opinion. I mainly dps and do as much dps as my gear/skill allows. I personally never been kicked from extremes, coil, and i skipped savage in HW.

the dude tried to use the opinion to belittle me making assumptions on my game play. Calling it out is a good thing, though it can change everyone, it does set a standard of play/attitude. No one should be kicked over fflogs... those who do should be reported.

[BigRed5392]

My point is more that people who are hosting PFs have the right to kick anyone, for any reason. If the host of the PF isn't allowing anyone in who is parsing low, that's their prerogative. OP seemed to feel that he shouldn't be judged by his DPS, and I did my best to explain the situation.

yes and no. You can't use parser/fflogs to kick ppl as those are against the tos. And would be consider vote kick abuse if you do.

Yoshi-p clearly stated using parser is a "don't ask don't tell" to not abuse it. Keep that talk in your static, not some random pf.

[Arkturius]

Im just saying this now i can literally go into end tier content with no knowledge of tanking and subpar gear and still show up on logs as blue button mashing basic combos out of tank stance grey logs are a pure sign that you are doing something wrong don't take the replies as insults go to fflogs and look at your rotation and improve it from there. The site isnt meant for epeen outside of 95% its used as a self help and development tool in order for you to improve how you play the game