Tank dps harrasment

[Lewtskie]

If you are parsing grey on fflogs, you are being carried by those in your party who are not. No assumptions being made

Someone getting carried is literally them being dragged along for the fight and not walking on their own two feet. A tank that mitigates what they need to and maintains control of the fight and its mechanics is doing what they need to do. That is the purpose of their roles and their job.

[Estelle9lives]

Hannia, while the people certainly could have been nicer to you instead of outright kicking you out of duties, I have to say that if you're really getting grey numbers you're not contributting as much as you should.

Grey numbers means you're on the bottom 25% in terms of DPS out of all the people who played your job in that content, so it can be questioned that there's a lot of room for improvement in your play. On high-end duties such as ex trials people will EXPECT you to be able to do decent numbers, because DPS is a form of contribution that all roles can offer. Even if you hide your logs, as long as you don't work on improving, people will keep complaining about your DPS. You don't even need to go full on Sword Oath for starters, just try to minimize how many times you use your aggro combo and stick to your dps rotation and you will already be able to do acceptable damage.

That said I have no idea why people are kicking you out of dungeons or even worse, hunts. I never kick people for performance reasons on casual content unless they flat out play badly/lazily on purpose.

[Mavrias]

People are allowed to kick you out of their own parties (hunts/shinryu/savage groups). So the only thing you have a leg to stand on for is dungeon pugs, and even then, difference in playstyle is a thing.

[HazyAssaulter]

Hannia, while the people certainly could have been nicer to you instead of outright kicking you out of duties, I have to say that if you're really getting grey numbers you're not contributting as much as you should.

Grey numbers means you're on the bottom 25% in terms of DPS out of all the people who played your job in that content, so it can be questioned that there's a lot of room for improvement in your play.

I'm getting a bit pedantic at this point, but grey is actually bottom 20%.

[Lilseph]

Actually it does,ppl where not up the tanks butt to stance dance all that much till alex gordias as it was punishing with hard dps checks. People tried to enforce it in other content after.

Also if you actually read what I said, I personally don't care if tank is stance dancing or not. I also never stated no else should dps, reading a post in full kinda helps not have mis-understandings. It is the dps's role to do damage though. Not use tank as a scapegoat.

I also never been kicked from pf groups either. And no your mindset is pretty garbage, if you read the op it looks like their using duty finder not pf. They already cleared shin ex, just farming the wing.

Sorry for pointing this out, but I don't think it's "garbage" per se, it's just a different goal. Wether you agree or not, it's a different story. People like to push their jobs, because it extends their fun in-game, giving them an additional goal. "Did I clear X content? nice. Let's see how much I can optimize, push harder, and get better numbers". E-peen? Maybe. Fun? Perhaps. More things to do in-game? Not with the provided tools, but with the right ones: Yes. Also, I was pressed to do more DPS even back in FCOB for week-1 clears on my main character (Signature, thanks Hyomin for the template), so I don't think the tank DPS comes from Gordias, but before that.

The encounters in this game resolve around DPS, with very extremely limited situations where heals do something (Shinryu X). Having both the tanks and the healers dealing extra DPS, not only speeds the process up and it's not that they can't clear if they don't push their numbers. It's matter of clearing faster, being optimal. Some people have that mindset and no condescending emotes (aka ) or derogatory remakrs will change that.

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As for the OP, it sucks that people kicked you out FROM A DUNGEON because of that. I am close to the 10k instances clear myself and I've never seen such thing to happen. You probably were paired with some try hard fellas there. If they mentioned any parser during your run or actual numbers, you can report them. However, this attitude will never change. Just warning you.

As a side note, it's extremely easy to swap/drop your tank stance. Do it at least once or twice as if it was an experiment and see how it goes. Just do your emnity combo once (if DA from DRK) or twice, or three times if needed, drop your stance and go ham on DPS combos. Go back to your tanking stance if you see the DPS are catching up aggro-wise. Bosses in instances barely do any damage, and with proper CD usage, you can get away with not using tank stance. I'm almost sure no one is expecting you to pull 3k+ DPS. It's not an unrealistic number at all, but it's dungeon content after all...

[HazyAssaulter]

again assumption

you keep assuming. shin ex was 1 example, others are hunts, and dungeons you are just hung up on the shin ex. Move on. You're just being rude here nothing more.

If it was an assumption, I'm sure OP would have corrected me, but it's not. Some might find it rude to give honest feedback, but I'd prefer someone to be straight up with me than censor themselves for the sake of my sensitivities.

[BigRed5392]

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we need more ppl like you, no rudeness, basic explanation and some suggestions.

[BigRed5392]

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my doing is not me being rude, it was suggested i do that a while ago so people knew i wasn't being angry.

Also the harass people over fflogs is gargabe. And against the tos. Which is what I was saying.

[Hannia]

If it was an assumption, I'm sure OP would have corrected me

I didn't really see a need to correct you being as I specifically stated I was kicked out of dungeons and hunts but if I needed to correct you here it is, I was kicked out of dungeons and hunt parties for "low dps". Also the shinryu ex thing I didn't even get to go into the fight they immediately looked at my logs and said "your ffxiv logs say your grey" and removed me from the group.

[BigRed5392]

If it was an assumption, I'm sure OP would have corrected me, but it's not. Some might find it rude to give honest feedback, but I'd prefer someone to be straight up with me than censor themselves for the sake of my sensitivities.

actually they did ask you to stop.

And you are just harassing op over fflogs. Not once did you politely explain it, or offer tips. You just did "you bad and you should feel bad" which is just bullying.