Tank dps harrasment

[Awha]

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You may feel like people blow it out of proportion when it does happen, and

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you may feel it is not a common thing because you do not see it.

These are both fair points, but for one I rarely saw toxic behavior in PvP does that make it any more of an issue to certain players? Probably not. That point aside let us say that harassment only happens to one player a month, in my honest opinion that is once too much. It is a great tool, I use to raid hardcore back in WoW pushing for world and server firsts, though I really have no desire nor commitment to enter a new raiding scene. I do understand the value the tool provides to further ones play. Still people do abuse it, and no matter how infrequent the two of you may feel it happens still does not chance the fact that said issues do happen to players, and for the players that it does happen to it is big issue that truly effects their enjoyment of the game.

Do I wish people had thicker skin and took things in stride? Yeah would make everything much easier, and we probably would still have chat enabled in PvP. Even so I am not going to pretend issues do not not happen because I rarely ever saw them. I willing to bet it happens often to my friends cause they are far below avenge, I mean one of them sicks in tank stance and only uses their enmity combo, and yeah you do not need a meter to see that people are under-preforming, the meter just adds insult to injury. The easiest fix would be to make fflogs opt in instead of opt out, or make it so the data shown on the site is only your personal data. It would not fix the core issue, but like how the pvp chat bad did not fix the so called toxic pvp community at the very least it provided the illusion of it. Which is all a lot of people need.

[Shurrikhan]

never seen people complain about numbers in dungeons. Closest I’ve seen is after a tank pulls a large pack, dies because the mobs aren’t dying fast enough, and after we respawn, they say something like “I’ll just do smaller pulls; not enough damage going out”—and again, that’s something you don’t even need a parser to see. It’s easy to tell when DPS aren’t AOEing packs down, not only from how long they’re taking to die, but from the fact that their TP is basically full the entire time. So, again, not really something you need a parser to see.

Just yesterday, and not for the first time, I had a run where I said pretty much just exactly that and was threatened with a ban on suspicion of parsing, and repeatedly berated over the rest of the run by one of the DPS. My intent was simply to assure the relatively new healer, when he asked, that there was nothing he could have done better to have made the full size pull feasible for us; either at least a couple mobs die before we both run out of CDs, or we get crushed (35 seconds in and not one mob was dead, and one DPS still at full TP). It went so far as being harassed outside of the instance as well, being told repeatedly over whispers that I'm elitist and passive aggressive filth, all from the simple line "Don't worry, that's not on you; we just didn't have enough DPS to pull it off. We tested that, and you did good, but I'm going to do smaller pulls from here out."

It continually shocks me that people would hark so heavily on the ability for people to use player support tools like parsers in a toxic manner, yet cannot understand why parser's current "don't ask, don't tell" state already sanctions incredible toxicity.

It's gotten to the point that I scarcely communicate in dungeons anymore. If there's a Dragoon who won't use Heavy Thrust or won't reproc BotD between pulls, I say nothing, because no matter the specificity of the advice, I more frequently hear back that I must be using a parser and that they've just reported me, "see you later... or never." Unless the mood is light from the start, I either judge by the lowest common denominator and silently adjust accordingly or risk being threatened.

[Miste]

Sad truth it is only common if you are bad

Just saying that if it is not common for you or those around you does not mean it is any less of an issue for those players that are not up to the already fairly low bar.

I maybe wasn't clear enough but I do tons of DF and PF content with randoms. I have seen some very bad players and I've seen some epic scale bad players.... and yet I still haven't seen this parser abuse yet in 4 years. I understand that me being a raider myself I am unlikely to come across people with issues with my contribution level, but I am in groups with randoms enough where I think I would have seen something by now even if said abuse was not directed at me personally.

Seems to cast doubt on it being a frequent occurrence in-game. All the times I've seen people kick other players from PF groups was due to said player repeatedly failing the same mechanics over and over in a group where the PF required those mechanics already be learned. I have not seen anyone kicked for parse numbers so far.

In DF almost all the kicks I have seen that were not for AFK/Offline were due to trolling and/or verbal abuse against fellow party members.

So yes I have seen people get upset at others for failing mechanics and/or wiping the group, but none of those reasons are parser related since it is easy to see when someone dies often, fails mechanics, or wipes the group. General role failure as well...you don't need a parser to see if a tank isn't keeping hate, getting one shot by tank buster because no mitigation, or a healer that isn't healing. These reasons are the most frequent causes of disputes in my experience over the 4 years of doing content.

[LalaRu]

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

I can upload my data, but other's names must be anonymous and not taken in logs. Thus, fflogs must get from the log only data from characters that have fflogs account and discard (or set anonymous) everything else.

[Taika]

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

Not because they're uploading them from public battle logs having been in the same party with you. It's like uploading a screenshot from your party chat.

[Cakekizyy]

Not because they're uploading them from public battle logs having been in the same party with you. It's like uploading a screenshot from your party chat.

In which case you should be censoring names of others. Your example reinforces their point.

[Taika]

In which case you should be censoring names of others. Your example reinforces their point.

Only on these forums, since they are the rules of these forums. But I am free to have, for example a personal blog or site where I upload my XIV party chat discussions or in game battle logs. It's similar to streaming a game: you're not just streaming your own character, but everyone you're playing with.

[ElHeggunte]

Just thinking... if someone other uploads my data on fflogs without my consent, isn't he violating my privacy?

I can upload my data, but other's names must be anonymous and not taken in logs. Thus, fflogs must get from the log only data from characters that have fflogs account and discard (or set anonymous) everything else.

No? It's publicly available information even without parsers and FFLogs. Anyone in your groups or even remotely close to you in the game cans see the data that's aggregated by parsers and uploaded to FFLogs.

[LalaRu]

No? It's publicly available information

Wrong on many levels. That data is private within the party.

Anyone in your groups or even remotely close to you in the game cans see the data that's aggregated by parsers and uploaded to FFLogs.

Because that data was uploaded without my consent, doesn't make it free to all.

[dotsforlife]

Wrong on many levels. That data is private within the party.

Because that data was uploaded without my consent, doesn't make it free to all.

The data isn't private once it's uploaded. If don't want people to see trash tier numbers then set yours to private. It's that simple.