Tank dps harrasment

[Miste]

Large pulls are fine if thats what the group want's, but ask first, talk, communicate with each other Don't assume by item level and what not what everyone wants to do, don't just do without asking first. I think that's what most are against, assumptions. People do dungeons for different reasons.

Erm...but can't that same thing be used for single pulling? It is still making an assumption...it is just the opposite of speed pulling. Why assume by item level and what not that everyone wants single pulls?

I mean I never said to just assume anyway I just personally don't care if said mistake happens, but you also can't expect everyone to know what you want either. Some tanks might just have gotten a lot of people asking them for speed runs so they just do it out of habit or they just will play however they prefer unless someone asks them to do something different.

So yeah people could ask first, but IF a tank doesn't ask and does speed pulls and it is too stressful for you or you feel the group can't handle it you have the power to speak up and ask for what you prefer.

If someone is doing something you really don't like or is making the run too stressful on you then speak up. No one can do anything for you if they don't know what you want.

[Aylis]

Erm...but can't that same thing be used for single pulling? It is still making an assumption...it is just the opposite of speed pulling. Why assume by item level and what not that everyone wants single pulls?

Hence the motto of the post. Ask, communicate with the party, reach a common ground, compromise. Treat each party as its own different ball game.

[Miste]

Hence the motto of the post. Ask, communicate with the party, reach a common ground, compromise. Treat each party as its own different ball game.

Sorry but I am just unsure of why you specifically quoted and replied to me in the first place then?

I never said to make assumptions or to not communicate...so....what relevance is that to my post?

I simply explained my point of view and also curious as to why one wipe really bothers people...communication or not wipes happen sometimes. I guess I just don't see the point in getting upset over wipes.

So...I think you misunderstood me or something.

[MoroMurasaki]

Hence the motto of the post. Ask, communicate with the party, reach a common ground, compromise. Treat each party as its own different ball game.

This would without a doubt be an option in an ideal world. I love it when a tank asks me what sort of pulls I prefer. I do think it's setting a high bar for communication in this game.

Ps4 players without keyboards aside there are people who are able to communicate who just choose not to. I can recall more than one time I've seen a dps pull in the 10-15 seconds it takes for a tank to ask me about pull size and me to respond and cast protect.

I would love this if it were reliably executed I just don't see it realistically happening.

[AxlStream]

Hence the motto of the post. Ask, communicate with the party, reach a common ground, compromise. Treat each party as its own different ball game.

Why ask? If it doesn't suit you speak up. If you're being too annoying about it or just can't keep up with what is seen as standard for most of the group, that's when you risk to waste time and earn the boot. Big pulls are the norm, deal with it.

[Kazrah]

Big pulls are the norm, deal with it.

If jumping off a cliff was the norm, would you do it?

Just because everyone does it doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

[AxlStream]

If jumping off a cliff was the norm, would you do it?

Just because everyone does it doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

Except we're not talking about a life threatening thing here. Just a specific way to press buttons.

[Zojha]

If jumping off a cliff was the norm, would you do it?

In order for jumping of a cliff to become and stay a norm in the first place, it would have to go well most of the time, because otherwise natural selection would remove everyone adhering to the norm from the pool and through that, not adhering to it would automatically become the new norm.

TL;DR: I don't think that's a good comparison.

[Kazrah]

In order for jumping of a cliff to become and stay a norm in the first place, it would have to go well most of the time, because otherwise natural selection would remove everyone adhering to the norm from the pool and through that, not adhering to it would automatically become the new norm.

TL;DR: I don't think that's a good comparison.

Actually it is when you have new tanks and undergeared tanks who can't handle those pulls as well, healers that aren't able to keep tanks alive during those pulls, and the DPS players who underperform to the point where circumstances caused by the first two points can occur.

On the other hand, maybe I should've changed that analogy to "eating laundry detergent" since kids do that and natural selection is still slacking off on that.

[Altena]

Tanks getting kicked for not doing enough damage..... In an Expert dungeon? I call bullsh~..

I have not experienced in my entire FFXIV life, a tank actually being harassed in-game for not doing enough DPS outside of statics in a raid. I have seen it on the forums, and all over chat channels, but never have I seen it directed at a player in a duty finder dungeon. Being kicked for not enough DPS as a Tank? In a duty finder dungeon? Yeah sorry but no. That just doesn't happen. They probably kicked you for a different reason and you're either deciding not to share that reason, or don't know the reason so jump to that conclusion.

Is there something you people are doing that is provoking players to target you?

Most decent people in this game don't give a rats bottom what you do in a DF dungeon. However, if you get called out for something - or someone gives you "advice", then the mature thing to do is just say "Thanks for the advice, I will consider it." Regardless whether they meant it as advice or not.
If you got kicked, it was likely due to the conversation that followed - not the fact that you "weren't doing enough DPS as a tank".

DPS pulling? Well look, there are two sides to this..
If you are dordelling between pulls and the MNK is about to lose their stacks, yes some may run ahead and start hitting the next thing.
If you are pulling single groups at a time and someone pulls another group for you, then consider it a favour and just pull hate off them so your party can zerg them down. Then maybe next pull, just pull a little bigger.
Finally, if someone is "pulling for you", consider it a hint that you just aren't going as quick as you could be. If another player has the opportuntiy to "pull for you", then you're just being a slow tank.

Honestly "the standard" these days is to do big pulls. If you're planning on doing single group pulls, you might want to say so at the start of the dungeon, and say "you're not confident with big pulls". So people argue that they should speak up when they are about to do big pulls.. Honestly I think it should be the opposite. There is a higher need to communicate something that is out of the norm than there is when something is within the norm and expected.