Tank dps harrasment

[Lewtskie]

If you are parsing grey on fflogs, you are being carried by those in your party who are not. No assumptions being made

Someone getting carried is literally them being dragged along for the fight and not walking on their own two feet. A tank that mitigates what they need to and maintains control of the fight and its mechanics is doing what they need to do. That is the purpose of their roles and their job.

[HyoMinPark]

If you are parsing grey on fflogs, you are being carried by those in your party who are not. No assumptions being made

Honestly, unless the OP was advertising for a static or wanting to become some bleeding-edge raider or boasting about how they were the Big Cheese of Tanks, FFLogs and numbers and percentiles really don’t matter for those who are more casual-oriented, which is what I think the OP is. I don’t use casual in any sort of derogatory sense here—they are just not a person that want to min-max or run Ex trials or Savage in any sort of speed/parse run sense (which, btw, they mention nothing about Savage so bringing up V4S and tank stance usage in V4S is completely irrelevant to this conversation).

Again, unless the OP is failing to mitigate, losing hate, or dying to stupid stuff, I would not consider them being “carried” in a PF ShinEx farm group. “Carried” is when you literally have zero clue as to what you are doing, and make the 7 other players do all of your work for you. Could they have not-grey parses? Sure. But unless they are losing aggro IN stance, and taking a lot of unnecessary damage/dying a lot, they aren’t really being “carried”.

People can post numbers for Ex trials all day long on FFLogs, but really, the raiding community doesn’t put as much stock in them as they do actual Savage content—Ex trials have become extremely midcore-bordering-on-softcore as of late. And even then, a serious raider won’t just look at a number and say “oh well you’re grey so you automatically suck”—they will look deeper: did the person die, what was the comp, what were the healers doing, etc.. But again, I digress, because this conversation is not about Savage.

[HazyAssaulter]

Honestly, unless the OP was advertising for a static or wanting to become some bleeding-edge raider or boasting about how they were the Big Cheese of Tanks, FFLogs and numbers and percentiles really don’t matter for those who are more casual-oriented, which is what I think the OP is. I don’t use casual in any sort of derogatory sense here—they are just not a person that want to min-max or run Ex trials or Savage in any sort of speed/parse run sense (which, btw, they mention nothing about Savage so bringing up V4S and tank stance usage in V4S is completely irrelevant to this conversation).

My point is more that people who are hosting PFs have the right to kick anyone, for any reason. If the host of the PF isn't allowing anyone in who is parsing low, that's their prerogative. OP seemed to feel that he shouldn't be judged by his DPS, and I did my best to explain the situation.

[BigRed5392]

My point is more that people who are hosting PFs have the right to kick anyone, for any reason. If the host of the PF isn't allowing anyone in who is parsing low, that's their prerogative. OP seemed to feel that he shouldn't be judged by his DPS, and I did my best to explain the situation.

yes and no. You can't use parser/fflogs to kick ppl as those are against the tos. And would be consider vote kick abuse if you do.

Yoshi-p clearly stated using parser is a "don't ask don't tell" to not abuse it. Keep that talk in your static, not some random pf.

[HazyAssaulter]

If tanks staying in tank stance are getting carried then something is very wrong with this games end game
(outside of bleeding edge progression)

I challenge you to find how many O4S clears there are with tanks staying in tank stance.

[Xerek]

I challenge you to find how many O4S clears there are with tanks staying in tank stance.

See prior comment, unless O4S is suddenly now a dungeon or hunt. I'm seeing a disturbing trend where raiders are using parsers and expecting raid quality performance outside of raid/ex content, which is elitist and outright silly.

[Sylvina]

I challenge you to find how many O4S clears there are with tanks staying in tank stance.

Well if this is actually true then there needs to be some changes. Tank Stance exists for a reason and when it becomes useless balance is wrong.

[akaneakki]

Well if this is actually true then there needs to be some changes. Tank Stance exists for a reason and when it becomes useless balance is wrong.

What? You don't need tank stance when the damage isn't that big. Auto attacks barely hits you for anything. There is TOO MITIGATION and TOO MUCH heal. Then you have the thing thats in between.

[Fhaerron]

Well if this is actually true then there needs to be some changes. Tank Stance exists for a reason and when it becomes useless balance is wrong.

Tank stance is not useless, we need it to build up emnity.
As soon as you have some Rage of Halones in (or the WAR/DRK version) you go to DPS stance.
When there is a tank bust you activate tank stance and a CD.
Sometimes it can happen that some crazy high DPS player is catching up on emnity, in that case you go tank stance again and use some more emnity builders then go DPS again.

If tanks had no tank stance then we wouldn't be able to do Omega/Ultimate Bahamuth/ Any other raid.

It's not useless.

[HoodRat]

Tank stance is not useless, we need it to build up emnity.
As soon as you have some Rage of Halones in (or the WAR/DRK version) you go to DPS stance.
When there is a tank bust you activate tank stance and a CD.
Sometimes it can happen that some crazy high DPS player is catching up on emnity, in that case you go tank stance again and use some more emnity builders then go DPS again.

If tanks had no tank stance then we wouldn't be able to do Omega/Ultimate Bahamuth/ Any other raid.

It's not useless.

No, it is useless unless you're still learning a fight or something goes horribly wrong. The mitigation from tank stance is unneeded and, as for enmity, shirk and shade walker go a long way to making sure you never need tank stance or even your enmity combo.