Tank dps harrasment

[Miste]

Because that data was uploaded without my consent, doesn't make it free to all.

If we want to get into technical and legal things here....FFlogs doesn't need "your" consent. They need SE's consent since all of FFXIV's data including your character belongs to SE, not you.

Nothing to do with FFXIV needs "your" consent since you do not own anything to do with FFXIV. You simply pay subscription in order to be allowed to access and use SE's intellectual property. Your subscription does not entitle you to claim ownership of anything in FFXIV and this includes your character and any data related to your character. Therefore your personal consent is not necessary at all.

[Taika]

Wrong on many levels. That data is private within the party.

How is it different from someone uploading screenshots of your party chat, screenshots of their battle logs including your numbers, screenshots of their character with your character in it, or a gameplay video of a fight including your character? How about someone streaming while they're playing Rabanastre, also showing (either accidentally or on purpose) your characters gameplay or something you perhaps say in chat?

[jameseoakes]

How is it different from someone uploading screenshots of your party chat, screenshots of their battle logs including your numbers, screenshots of their character with your character in it, or a gameplay video of a fight including your character? How about someone streaming while they're playing Rabanastre, also showing (either accidentally or on purpose) your characters gameplay or something you perhaps say in chat?

Pretty much every stream I've seen has chat covered up, same with screenshots.

[akaneakki]

Wrong on many levels. That data is private within the party.

Because that data was uploaded without my consent, doesn't make it free to all.

So instead of improving you want to people not to see how you perform which they will eventually and you dont perform the way they want you to then what? Going to sit back and let them do it for You?

[ElHeggunte]

Wrong on many levels. That data is private within the party.

It isn't private though. Anything that gets written to the battle log can be seen by anyone else around you, whether they're in your group or not (and did you know that everything printed to the logs is also saved locally on each machine's HDD?):

Example 1: Say we're in a 24-man raid together, but you're in Group A and I'm in Group B. I could still look at my battle log and see everything you do. As in, I can use my eyeballs and don't require a parser to see things like what buffs you used, what attacks you performed, how much damage they did, whether or not they crit, etc. That's how most parsers work in the first place: by reading the battle log and then displaying the information in a way that's easier to understand (but could still be done by hand if you had pen, paper, and too much free time).

Example 2: Let's say you're out in the world fighting a Hunt mob. I happen to walk by your group on my way to do something unrelated. Guess what? I could still look at my battle log and see everything that you're doing even though I'm not in your party or engaged with the same mob.

If you're grouped with other people or even remotely close enough to them that your information gets printed to their log, your information is not private and they don't require your permission to upload it or do whatever else they want with it.

Because that data was uploaded without my consent, doesn't make it free to all.

Whether or not you want them to upload it is irrelevant because you don't get to claim sole ownership over something that was available to the public the moment it got written to everyone else's battle log.

[KageTokage]

I was honestly kind of annoyed to realize that my performance was being unknowingly logged by people for the longest time.

I would've blocked my logs a lot sooner had I known, because you should judging people by how they're performing now, not in the past. Unfortunately, that elitist I mentioned earlier didn't seem to grasp that, because I sure as heck wasn't doing "bottom percentile" DPS on that OS4.

[Taika]

I was honestly kind of annoyed to realize that my performance was being unknowingly logged by people for the longest time.

I would've blocked my logs a lot sooner had I known, because you should judging people by how they're performing now, not in the past. Unfortunately, that elitist I mentioned earlier didn't seem to grasp that, because I sure as heck wasn't doing "bottom percentile" DPS on that OS4.

I'm having a hard time understanding what's the issue of having your logs up. If it's really old data and you have improved a lot since then, you can point that out to a person commenting on those low numbers (or, if they're a person who's being very rude about it, at leat I wouldn't want to be in the same party with them in the first place). Even better, you can ask for people you're currently running with if someone could upload your numbers so that logs would only be showing the current situation. When someone searches your name, it'll first only show your highest rank on every floor.

I'm just thinking this from my own perspective. If I would only have a few recorded kills and all of them would be super low, I would first start reflecting on if that's really how my performance currently is. If not, I'd ask for my current groups to upload my current parses, and those old bad ones would be automatically hidden. If the old logs would reflect my current performance accurately, I would work on improving myself in some practice groups and then ask for someone to upload logs from my kills after that.

I've also only once seen a person kicked from an OS4 party based on their logs (but even that wasn't purely on logs but in combination with a parse from that day, which clearly showed that person was unable to carry their own weight in that fight). There are party finders that demand high performance, and those are likely to check your logs, but why would you join those in the first place if you're not the type of a player who's invested in their performance and has the public data to back that up... Seriously, I'm just confused about why this would be an issue.

[Lewtskie]

Because realistically speaking, even people who do fine on the daily can have bad runs. And unless you are completely clueless in all things, you would be able to tell a good run from a bad one. Did you perform your opener correctly? Hitting your rotations as needed? Get hit by the things you could dodge? Subtle differences will show where you can improve your uptime and use what and when depending on the flow and mechanics, but you should already be able to identify any drastic difference in your own performance then and there. You don't need some deep introspective after the fact.

Unless you're taking it on yourself to upload your own performance, which some can't, then you're at the whims of others to do so; and not everyone else does it either. And you shouldn't have to be super paranoid about your parses; always asking someone to upload every run, just so some rando sees you're not actually shit, you just had a crappy day.

[Taika]

Because realistically speaking, even people who do fine on the daily can have bad runs.

Of course! So if you're doing fine on most of your runs, and you're actively running this content every week, why not just ask for someone to upload the logs so you can get a decent % for yourself and be done with it? Logs are being uploaded so often it shouldn't take many runs to find someone to do that. And you only need that 1 good run to up the rank people see when they check your stats. I just don't see why this would be such a big, negative issue for some pople (and I doubt it's that for many people, as I've never personally seen or heard anyone kicked from party because of logs apart from that one exception - and then it was 100% justified).

[Lewtskie]

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Unless they're aware of the logs, and not everyone is even if they are aware of parsing, they'll never know to ask and from there it's something they can't "buffer" with asking someone to upload good runs until the damage is already done and either they learn about the logs too late or are challenged for them. From that point they now have to work out of the negative because ill fortune saw fit to have only their two really bad runs recorded and not a majority of their decent-good runs, and now it's a game of not just proving your worth, but now proving you're not shit. And most folks aren't so open-minded to give leeway to someone with shown bad records unless there is evidence that they have run more times than logged.