Streamlining Warrior Stances

[Galgarion]

They really should give use the combo buttons as a prebuilt alternative.

It's called a skill ceiling for a reason, though. Look at how delighted all the Dark Knight mains were when their job got gutted into brain dead simplicity. They surely didn't write a dozen snark-filled threads complaining about how much they hated the changes, because they loved them that much. Warrior's got a brilliant play style as is. That's why I like it better than Paladin. Why mess with a good thing?

[Canadane]

They really should give use the combo buttons as a prebuilt alternative.

I for one hope this never happens.

[Namingwayfinder]

They really should give use the combo buttons as a prebuilt alternative.

I feel like this option works for PvP because of the fact that PvP is basically a super simplified version of PvE against other players. Personally, I can see combo buttons as maybe a very specific macro for very specific classes, like BRD when you can use Pitch Perfect/Refulgent arrow, that could change to whatever situational skill you need, but otherwise does not account for a majority of decision making. Since this thread is specifically about WAR, I'll use it as an example. It has 1 starter, 2 mid combo extenders, and 3 finishers. So, to be able to use any finisher when you want to, you would still need 3 slots on an action bar. So really, would it help anything? Probably not.

That is however, just my opinion, and opinions are as varied and as different as the people who hold them. Perhaps it would help some people to make the class more usable, but I'm with Galgarion on this, part of an MMO is managing your hotbars and keybinds, and knowing your job well/knowing what you need to do at all times. That is, after all, the spirit of an MMO player who ends up progressing in Extreme/Savage/Ultimate(Abbrev. E/S/U) content versus someone who can't get past Extreme content.

TL;DR: I don't care if they're in the game, but I personally see no need for them.

[Reynhart]

Less buttons to press. I think that's also the reason why the removed the two poisons from NIN.

[Wintersandman]

You could have Deliverance just be traited instead of a button. The same could be said about Sword Oath for PLD. No reason to not be in an oath. In PvP they don't even have deliverance and FC is part of Normal Stance.

[Shurrikhan]

You could have Deliverance just be traited instead of a button. The same could be said about Sword Oath for PLD. No reason to not be in an oath. In PvP they don't even have deliverance and FC is part of Normal Stance.

The change to Sword Oath, turning it into a trait, would be a definite buff unlike this suggested change to Warrior stances, however -- since you can't turn Defiance off for 10 seconds after activation anyways.

Though I honestly think that would still make for a greater quality of play for Paladin and tanks in general, though Shield Oath should probably then come at higher mana cost.

[Shurrikhan]

The only change that I think would be at all warranted would be to either:

1. Generate Wrath (gauge) and retain Wrath previously generated with all abilities that normally generate Wrath, even when outside of Defiance / Deliverance, but limit their spending to when in Defiance / Deliverance.
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2. Retain Wrath (gauge) generated previously and allow access to Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone, but without their second additional effect (mitigation, bonus enmity). Cannot generate Wrath except when in Defiance / Deliverance.

In either case it would make more sense for Deliverance to provide no bonus damage, but for all Marauder/Warrior potencies to be increased by that 5%. Deliverance gives the ability first to generate Wrath without a damage penalty, and then provides even more damage-form abilities thereafter.

[347SPECTRE]

They could make deliverance a trait that is active automatically when defiance is not in use. Just an idea, not really for or against it. Personally I think WAR is in a good spot right now.

[Sylvina]

I think just making the 2 warrior stances into one toggle button would be fine.

[Namingwayfinder]

I think just making the 2 warrior stances into one toggle button would be fine.

That's actually not a bad idea at all. It would work for PLD too, but not DRK.
Still, I think that making them toggle like their unique skills is actually the one thing that maybe WAR could use, even then it would prolly just be a QoL buff and therefore given low priority. SE could also make it an option if you want it to be a toggle or two different skills.