How to kill house flippers easy

[Siniztor]

Even simpler... just stop letting people relinquish land except for autodemolition... nobody will give that much Gil for a house and then have to wait 45 days and hope they will be online when it goes live for sale... choke off the demand side and supply will crash quickly after

The problem with this as Kerdwyn said people transfer...and as MicahZerrshia people waill wait, it will just prolong flippers holding propertys for 45 days

[Septonyte]

How about, when a house is relinquished and bought both players in question have thier gil transactions for the past X amount of time looked into. If a large amount is transferred from the new owner to the old owner by any means then both accounts are temp banned, new owner loses the house, and old owner loses all the new gil. In other words. the GMs could ACTUALLY do their jobs by upholding the ToS and there is a gil sink that is worth a damn.

[Siniztor]

How about, when a house is relinquished and bought both players in question have thier gil transactions for the past X amount of time looked into. If a large amount is transferred from the new owner to the old owner by any means then both accounts are temp banned, new owner loses the house, and old owner loses all the new gil. In other words. the GMs could ACTUALLY do their jobs by upholding the ToS and there is a gil sink that is worth a damn.

I really think they should have a Gm assined to the reddit post lol follow each house listed if the house switchs owners check gil transactions n ban both..just like the 1.1 billion for the plot 30. pera bann sellers temp ban buyers

[Sakuraluna]

The main problem I see with this is that many sellers aren't actually trying to flip the house, they're just trying to get back what they put into it. A system that allows players to sell the house through the game at the price they initially paid, while not just relinquishing the land but actually transferring it to the buyer, would at least help by eliminating situations where an honest player pays 5m for a relinquish and then has to pay 5 more for the actual land essentially doubling what they'd need to charge or forcing them to take a cut if they want to sell later. The recent transfer system has done away with a lot of the necessity of selling a house though, but imo, eliminating house selling entirely would still hurt more than just the flippers.

[Keridwyn]

The main problem I see with this is that many sellers aren't actually trying to flip the house, they're just trying to get back what they put into it. A system that allows players to sell the house through the game at the price they initially paid, while not just relinquishing the land but actually transferring it to the buyer, would at least help by eliminating situations where an honest player pays 5m for a relinquish and then has to pay 5 more for the actual land essentially doubling what they'd need to charge or forcing them to take a cut if they want to sell later. The recent transfer system has done away with a lot of the necessity of selling a house though, but imo, eliminating house selling entirely would still hurt more than just the flippers.

This is house flipping. By offsetting your extra costs onto someone else you ensure the cycle continues. We need to find ways to end this, not perpetuate it. Nobody should have to pay more than basic plot price for a home.

[Abelfei]

This is house flipping. By offsetting your extra costs onto someone else you ensure the cycle continues. We need to find ways to end this, not perpetuate it. Nobody should have to pay more than basic plot price for a home.

This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

[Keridwyn]

This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

Sir, I have brought this up on two threads, hardly every, because no matter how you shake it is.

Let's say someone wants a full recoup of 21mil on their med. The next would need 42mil for a full recoup. The one after that, 63mil. Eventually you are selling at the same price as a flipper, you have become the flipper no matter if the initial intent was profit or just 'breaking even'.

Plenty of us just let the houses go, we don't look to bill the next guy for our spent gil. You can find examples of this all over this forum. You want money back for your house, the demo timer gives 80%.

I can understand wanting to break even but most of us are here looking for solutions to the problem, not ways to justify the overblown prices. This isn't a TOS matter, just a sheer numbers game. Besides, GM enforcement of player to player sales and rules is notoriously lax and up to each GM.

[Abelfei]

Sir, I have brought this up on two threads, hardly every, because no matter how you shake it is.

Let's say someone wants a full recoup of 21mil on their med. The next would need 42mil for a full recoup. The one after that, 63mil. Eventually you are selling at the same price as a flipper, you have become the flipper no matter if the initial intent was profit or just 'breaking even'.

Flipping requires 2 things.
1. Intent to sell right from the start of purchase.
2. Profit

It's that easy.

[Siniztor]

This is not house flipping. The only way it's flipping is :

1. The plot is intentionally bought for resale.
2. You profit.

Many GM's have even stated that what they really only care about is when people intentionally buy plots to raise the price right after, and on top of that sell for a superrr inflated price.

Keridwyn is on every housing thread accusing anyone of ever upgrading a house or selling a house a flipper.

Sakuraluna, you are 100% right, this isn't flipping. Flipping involves profit and resale intent from the get go.

Easy fix you add in a option that kicks in 45 days after you buy a house.after 45 days you have 3 options......

1- release plot it goes on a random timer

2- Transfer ownership of plot to a tennant with a price option that goes no higher then the price you paid for the plot
*anyone useing this option will have there gil transactions looked into to ensure no more gil traded handes between seller nbuyer)

3- dont enter your house for 45 days get 80% back but it goes on a random timer

Then you have the option of helping friends with out profiting from the sale. No one should have a problem with them checking your gil transactions unless your involed in profiting from the sale of houses or buying ftom rmt

[Acilith]

They could just scrap the wards and give everyone their own instanced plot of their choosing, maybe a plot that you can upgrade in size. That's.. also not viable though. It's just too much work to do from the ground up, and I think only NA servers have the issues we have.