Open world PvP Zone

[Wyvernheart]

Some of these ideas are really good. I can see myself enjoying it. Im sure glam and and mounts would be great. Nodes for pvp food and furniture's would be inviting. I like how the people's of the Azime Steppe fight for the throne, we could have this sort of thing going on. The adventures would have to pick a tribe. This could be so fun.

[Wyvernheart]

Snnip.

Looks like when its all said and done we can agree on a zone put off to the side that is pvp only is acceptable as long as it does not gate pve content and you can not fumble into it. With that said. Should we start talking about Safe Zones? Like small villages or tele spots. Lets get this breakthrough with well thought out ideas to Yoshi!

[Squintina]

Looks like when its all said and done we can agree on a zone put off to the side that is pvp only is acceptable as long as it does not gate pve content and you can not fumble into it. With that said. Should we start talking about Safe Zones? Like small villages or tele spots. Lets get this breakthrough with well thought out ideas to Yoshi!

There were 2 in-depth posts on the previous page with ideas (one of which was my own, I admit, so maybe I'm biased), so why not start with those?

[Wyvernheart]

Yeah your post was really well said and i think it could work. I like how there is a zone wide event. Thats important. I wish i could beta test it on a alt. Maybe they should allow a pvp test server or zone soon.

[Shirolumi]

I am happy more people seem to support the idea

[Paladinleeds]

I hate PvP myself, but support this idea with some provisos:
1. Make rewards similar to current PvP rewards (I don't mean in terms of looks, I mean types, Glamours, Mounts, Minions, etc, but with all new designs. Nothing PvE though)
2. Don't gate main scenario or Mentor roulette duties with it (perhaps some PvP-PvE hybrid duties could be added though?)
3. Add a warning when you try to enter the zone (this way someone doesn't accidentally stumble on in and get creamed, you KNOW what you're getting into). If you say no ya don't wanna enter, your character turns around and leaves.

Why do I support it? Variety is always good, even if it's something I won't enjoy.

[Guesswhat]

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Adapting to an issue does not solve it - If you got a hole in the boat, you can adapt to it by grabbing a bucket, but the hole still persists.
And clamoring for a solution does not imply a lack of adaption - You can ask for the hole to be repaired and still grab a bucket until it is.
The thing here is that adapting to an issue is unnecessary when you can solve it instead. And I find talking solutions worlds more interesting and relevant to an issue than talking adaption, which you seem to mistake for refusing to adapt.
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None of that has anything to do with compromises. The compromise on the topic lies in the fact that the open world PvP is to be optional, the only thing worth discussing afterwards are the modalities of "optional".
The important questions are:
1) What does optional entail?
2) What measures are needed to make it optional?
3) How do you stimulate participation in an entirely optional activity without compromising its optional status?

What is the "issue" in this context? Just curious.

And I'm willing to accept your idea of compromise here (see what I did lol, jk).

1: Not required to reach endgame.
2: Not much really. It could be hidden behind a quest, that is explained what it is before you accept and in turn, when completed, brings up active help that further explains what it is and makes it absolutely clear what rewards you get for participating. The quest itself does not require you to enter the zone. And you can't enter the zone before quest is complete. Even when inside the zone, you'll have to turn on your PvP flag to even participate.
3: 1 Example would be to include it in a roulette for endgame currency, but PvE peeps wouldn't like that I reckon. Also weekly challenge if peeps are up for that. Personally it would probably be part of my endgame, you know, play for the sake of playing; no incentive required if it succeeds, as playing the game in itself should, imo, be the incentive. But, yeah, I know, people like to grind, and to be honest, I don't see SE implementing this in the foreseeable future as they would most likely just create a dead zone.

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Hmmm, that "community" is most likely here already. I can't imagine OW PvP being a magnet to that "community" more than, lets say, feast. There will always be a-holes around, even if you make the sweetest, most adorable puppy-like mmo, some a-holes will find their way there. Well, unless you go total Nazi and ban all chat and emotes.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If we focus only on what can go wrong, we'd never get anywhere. That's not to say planning for dealing with undesirable factors isn't necessary, but a certain degree of cynicism and worry needs to be set aside in order to go for it and possibly make it a reality.

[RiyahArp]

I feel though that a lot of the problems with pvp is that the devs aren't cynical enough. You have to assume players will try to cheat and break the system, and design for that. You can't design expecting players will play a specific way or will always act with decent motivation. SE kind of doesn't get this, and tends to have to scramble after to catch up. Especially with open world pvp, which has a long history of players being ridiculous and utter jerks in proportion to the power they get.

Like you have to assume people will gank in groups, so you cannot keep the current zone structure we have, because people will nail others as they zone in. Otherwise you keep the zone structure, and all it takes is a tiny amount of ppl to make the zone a failure. You have to think of your mechanic as used by someone who only cares about winning in the easiest way possible, which is a cynical outlook. Otherwise you are forced to think of it later.

[Kisagami]

You have to think of your mechanic as used by someone who only cares about winning in the easiest way possible, which is a cynical outlook. Otherwise you are forced to think of it later.

This! I’m sorry Thirdchild, but no matter what the game just wasn’t built for PVP like this and its an uphill battle to make this zone work without having the failures of other open PVP world games. And as you’ve seen, every time Square Enix makes huge changes such as what this entails, something goes wrong or a whole community feels slighted. They rarely get it exactly right.

People aren’t honorable like you, Thirdchild, if I take what you’re saying as truth about your own character. But so far, the characters of others and the main bulk of the community I know, if there’s an easy way to do it... they’ll do it.