Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[Llugen]

I stopped following this thread (finally) after I felt satisfied that I'd finally been heard/understood, but another thought just struck me yesterday: it might not feel like "black magic" to use resurrect, but it is black magic to want to cheat death, most certainly. So I might be inclined to have some kind of "Immortalize" skill that functions similar to Living Dead.

[Remedi]

Shatotto kinda defies death and so does Ququruka in a way so it's not impossible also it's the reason Why I said a phylactery-like skill could work

[Cynfael]

Shatotto kinda defies death and so does Ququruka in a way so it's not impossible also it's the reason Why I said a phylactery-like skill could work

I don't disagree, but it's pretty clear that there's a subset of players who consider FF Black Magic to be limited to Fire, Ice, Thunder, and virtually nothing else. Even if one wanted to advocate a raise or a "second chance" sort of skill, these players won't be having it.

[Kabooa]

I don't disagree, but it's pretty clear that there's a subset of players who consider FF Black Magic to be limited to Fire, Ice, Thunder, and virtually nothing else. Even if one wanted to advocate a raise or a "second chance" sort of skill, these players won't be having it.

I'd love a proper bolt spell. *glares at Raiton*

[Yeol]

BLM is supposed to be the SAM of casters. It is not bad to have as long as it is bringing up high numbers.

At the moment SMN is topping BLM in DPs (This should be fixed).
BLM > SMN > RDM (this is how it should be).

Lets hope 4.2 fixes that.

[Remedi]

I don't disagree, but it's pretty clear that there's a subset of players who consider FF Black Magic to be limited to Fire, Ice, Thunder, and virtually nothing else. Even if one wanted to advocate a raise or a "second chance" sort of skill, these players won't be having it.

TBH as I said in the past raise is problematic and can break fights easily if overlooked and because of it I'd rather have it moderated on the existing sources rather than spread, also there's the fact of job identity that goes against that.
That said It's true that there are some death-defiying elements in the BLM job quests as such I think discussing about those it's fair at the very least regardless of what we personally think and quite frankly if SE devs decide to give BLM a raise I'd rather have it so that either makes sense or that they make raise as role action

[Maero]

To those still hanging unto the idea of blm getting a raise

[Fannah]

I just thought about coming here to have some laugh, because at the quest level 10 of BLM, one of our masters, Cocobani, laughs saying "Aha! You arrive before me upright and breathing. Wonderful! It is so much simpler to pose questions to a student without having to resort to necromantic divination" --> So they actually know necromancy And I don't believe it's only a joke from them.
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/T...eat_of_Paucity
(Disclaimer, I'm against giving a kind of Raise in order to balance them, but it just seems the fact they can't use necromancy is actually not true, and not only done by evil characters).

[StragoMagus]

Not exactly relevant but Thaumaturge used to be able to cast resurrect before the meteor smashed their guild. Then again conjurers were able to cast high level black magic... let’s just see what 4.2 is going to end up with.

[EllieShadeflare]

Not exactly relevant but Thaumaturge used to be able to cast resurrect before the meteor smashed their guild. Then again conjurers were able to cast high level black magic... let’s just see what 4.2 is going to end up with.

They didn't. They could before 1.2, but that was just Thaumaturge... being run by a void mage.