Either SMN and RDM should lose their Raise or BLM should get a Raise.

[Llugen]

I think he thinks this thread is about SMN. Lol

Go play another MMO then. This is Final Fantasy. Lore always in first place.

Nope, try again. We've already been over this. FF is the literal definition of re-invention. There are more examples than I can count.




Also @Remedi what they said in July can still change based on new information/opinions, so here we are discussing it again. If they aren't interested in removing rez dispenser or raise on SMN then the correct thing to do is balance the role, and they will (hopefully) now realize that.

[Cynfael]

Go play another MMO then.

I know this thread is long and full of attitude, but are we really going with that line, now?

This is Final Fantasy. Lore always in first place.

A fine ideal, but no. This is an MMORPG. Playability always in first place.

That isn't to say that the lore doesn't or can't enrich the experience, but the developers' first concern will always be "Is this fun for players?" since that question goes hand-in-hand with "Are people eager to pay for this?" Players subscribe to play a game they enjoy, not to tithe to the shrine of FF lore.

All that being said, I'm still on the nope wagon as far as BLM raise goes. I can imagine at least a few viable ways to introduce it (from a lore perspective) without trying very hard, but I just don't want it.

[Neela]

How did they break Summoner's lore for numbers? Nothing regarding Summoner right now feels like it's lore-breaking

They did a good move with Bahamut: one big heavy visualized hit like we used to know...

... but he’s broken with an IQ of a toastbread while moving, forcing us to use a def utility to make dmg.
... our Egis are still on their release lvl/skills.
... their response is clunky due to the autoatks between their skills. You can’t chain or dbl weave them.
... they look like requisits of windows98
... they nerfed our dots and even stole one (not ff lore at all but ff14 lore)
... they made us to singletarget burst monster not comparable to ANY other smn in the ff-franchise universe.

and I think I would even find more if I want to... our summons/egis should be our focus not mastering the ruin mage job in rage mode.

@Llug
Now out of arguments and running against walls on your own cls mates - is making fun your last resort hm? ^^ You are right it’s not about smns but smns are a perfect example how they shouldn’t deal with Blm. And if u still haven’t understood what our discussion is all about - I wonder who of us is half drunk... :/

[Llugen]

Neela, legit you're drunk, go home. This thread is a raise discussion with regards to BLM, there's another thread for SMN QoL, I've been watching it as well.

@Cynfael: once again, I only want it because I don't want to be stuck playing SMN/RDM for progression again. Raise is an indispensable progression tool and to attempt raid prog without it is very illogical no matter which way you slice it. If the caster role is supposed to compete on this front, then BLM should have access to it, period. If they would rather remove it from SMN/RDM, then so be it, but the issue bringing to light is imbalance.


As a raider who fills the caster role, it is my duty to bring the most to my group that I can, and raise is just another consideration in that equation. Please tell me that this at least makes sense.

[Caduagm]

A fine ideal, but no. This is an MMORPG. Playability always in first place.

So what? Where is BLM unplayable? You guys keep saying that -BLM needs damage, or raise or whatever- sure it does need more damage, but you gotta consider how braindead is 4.0 BLM's rotation and how clearly this game works on rewarded jobs.
Another thing, BLM survived 4 years without a raise.
For those who don't remember, BLM was always taken over smn until creator. All the other fights, savage coil, the coils on their own, gordias AND midas had a BLM in their party and yes, I'm talking about world 1st, 2nd and so on... BLM was at 70% of the casters base UNTIL END OF MIDAS. So please for those saying that blm isn't desired on progression, please stop. It wasn't a problem before and it isn't a problem now.

[Neela]

Remi 2 pages ago I said I would leave him his opinion and hope that 4.2 makes him happy. It’s not me who continued to attack an opposite opinion now he’s even trying to roll me out cause he lacks in any more arguments but well I don’t wanna fight it’s just funny how he tries to get company in you to shut me down ^^

@Cyn
Not that I like the sentence but that was exactly what Blm threw on our heads back at 4.0 just before they locked us out in pfs. Now people realize those words can hurt hm? : /

@Llug
Oh lol I should leave „your“ thread but you have an eye on „my“ - cmn that was low even for u : /

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Neela, legit you're drunk, go home. This thread is a raise discussion with regards to BLM, there's another thread for SMN QoL, I've been watching it as well. @Cynfael: once again, I only want it because I don't want to be stuck playing SMN/RDM for progression again. Raise is an indispensable progression tool and to attempt raid prog without it is very illogical no matter which way you slice it. If the caster role is supposed to compete on this front, then BLM should have access to it, period. If they would rather remove it from SMN/RDM, then so be it, but the issue bringing to light is imbalance.


As a raider who fills the caster role, it is my duty to bring the most to my group that I can, and raise is just another consideration in that equation. Please tell me that this at least makes sense.

It sounds to me like if you don't want to play that job then don't play it. Simple.

Remember when RDM's were the ones who needed to just get over it? And all we wanted was small potency and support buffs.

[Llugen]

If you don't know where BLM is currently unplayable (by which I mean fulfills its role as strongest damage lowest utility), then you don't play it and you probably shouldn't be voicing your uninformed opinion in this thread, because the answer is: literally everywhere.

Everything you just listed off was pre-rez dispenser where there was no precedent for the caster role and raising in such a way. Your only choices were SMN or BLM, so SMN having it and BLM not having it really was "unique". So, NOW Raise on BLM has become an issue since 4.0 since 2/3 of the caster role has it and 1/3 does not. See how that works?



Also Neela I haven't "gotten any company" to shut you down, I don't mind control the people in this thread. Your remarks just have nothing to do with the topic (bahamut size, egis, etc).

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Remi 2 pages ago I said I would leave him his opinion and hope that 4.2 makes him happy. It’s not me who continued to attack an opposite opinion now he’s even trying to roll me out cause he lacks in any more arguments but well I don’t wanna fight it’s just funny how he tries to get company in you to shut me down ^^

He doesn't get the concept of people understanding and plainly disagreeing with his arguments/proposals etc.

[Lina_Slayer]

This is the problem when a class is this bad people don't even know what they want because everything sucks so much that anything could be an improvement, I don't want res because I think we can be balanced without it, but at this point I'd accept anything, ppl who don't realise how bad BLM is should read Sfia's OP on the Black Mage Megathread, and it's not recently it has been since the beggining of this expansion and it hurts when classes like MCH, WAR and SMN got buffed when they were already much better than us...