Interview with xenosys-vex

[Aana]

The problem with his logic is that it is nonobjective and bias-blinders play into what data forms the basis for the proposed arguments.

The interview displays a number of blatantly lop-sided logical arguments where points were very much selectively brought to bear, often to a hyperbolic degree, or just straight up omitted if they didn't reinforce the predetermined argument, not to mention some of the side-by-side comparisons being dubious at best.

Essentially the interview can be boiled down to "PLD has good DPS now and brings good utility, buff Fell Cleave ... oh and DRK sucks ... WAR needs moar deeps!".

As you said, great player who does great things for the community but people need to see his opinions as just that "opinions", which are very much skewed by heavy job preference.

Agreed. There are so many posts that are just "(insert idea) needs to happen. Xeno explains why *link*". That's the danger of celebrity 'opinions' they get trotted out like a scientific study when they aren't. They are just players better than you saying things about jobs. Theres no scientific method. Theres no standard applied. But they become battle cries for people who want the same buffs/nerfs as the celebrity player.

This whole idea about Utility vs DPS is a red herring anyway. When in the history of this game did the meta ever take the highest utility tank with lower DPS than the less utility tank? Never that's when. Pld had by far the best utility in HW. It was in the dumpster with low deeps. The community will take the highest DPS combos every time all the time unless the game fundamentally changes. People are only talking about utility now because Pld has 2nd highest DPS and utility. "But I have utility" didn't help the plds when they had low damage for 2 years.

No one cares about utility. The only thing that decides tank comps is raid damage. People took Drk over pld for all of HW because it did more damage MT and War did more damage OT. Pld had more utility and no one gave a crap.

As long as we moved from 2 tanks to 3 utility has NEVER been a factor in choosing tank meta. Only the highest DPS combo.

Utility is a red herring. Make them all do similar damage or there will be a looser. Stop trying to balance with utility as a factor. It doesnt matter.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

When in the history of this game did the meta ever take the highest utility tank with lower DPS than the less utility tank? Never that's when. Pld had by far the best utility in HW.

Did it though? In an expansion where WAR had Storm's Path and DRK had Delirium and Reprisal?

[Crater]

Did it though? In an expansion where WAR had Storm's Path and DRK had Delirium and Reprisal?

Yeah, I don't think that one was true at all. Warrior absolutely ruled the roost in 3.x in terms of utility, between Storm's Path, Storm's Eye, Unchained (or just a Defiance-Equilibrium) for enmity on a pull, being able to boost a Deployment Adlo to 1.44x with Conv+Defiance, and they even had a ton of mobility since Deliverance-Equilibrium gave them enough TP that they could Sprint and not run dry.

3.x Reprisal pretty much went toe-to-toe with Divine Veil in terms of party mitigation tools (another reason it should come back), but then DRK had Delirium, and Plunge for mobility.

PLD's utility basically just boiled down to Divine Veil, which is and always was a really powerful skill, but wasn't enough to carry the class when WAR/DRK had equivalent abilities and non-defensive utility and did better damage. Halone's debuff was more of a personal mitigation tool, Cover never really had any particularly good use cases, and the Shield Bash chain stun was totally outstripped by having oGCD stuns on DRK/WAR. They had a Silence, but unless you ran without a Ninja, Machinist, or Bard in A6S and A8S, that wasn't really good for anything.


You really can't overstate just how badly 3.x stacked the deck in favour of Warrior and against Paladin, in almost every single regard. We don't really know whether a "worst DPS but best utility" tank would get picked for progression, because from 2.1 all the way through to the day before Stormblood launched, the tank with the best DPS also had the best utility, and the tank with the worst DPS always had the worst utility.

[Reynhart]

Pld had by far the best utility in HW.

Not, it didn"t. Having only Divine Veil to reduce the massive amount of magic damage on the raid, and losing its shield entirely for magical tank busters are very deep flaws.