Warriors need MORE damage

[jameseoakes]

That's because DRK was a badly designed PLD clone so that you never wanted both of them at the same time. Imagine a DRK trying to MT for Reprisal with no additional enmity while PLD has Savage Blade in its dps combo.

Didn't WAR also have it's aggro skills in it's DPS combo?

[SyzzleSpark]

There are 4 things that choosing not to bring a PLD to your raid group in SB does not cause:

1. The two tanks that you do bring dealing 10% less damage.
2. Any other user of slashing dealing 10% less damage.
3. Your NIN to have to use an inefficient rotation.
4. Missing out on an on-demand -10% incoming damage debuff.

This argument that PLD is as powerful as WAR was in HW is absolutely laughable. Anyone that continues to assert this deserves the most condescendingly snarky "RLY? SRSLY? xD" faces that the people on this forum can muster. To assert this is like saying DRK/PLD comps weren't horrible in HW. If you said that back in the day you were LOL'ed to the horizon and back, probably by the same people in this thread right now asking for buffs. In HW if you made a PF and a DRK and PLD joined people would immediately speak up and either ask one of them to swap or nag the PF leader about not locking a slot to WAR. By contrast I see DRK/WAR comps in PF all the time nowadays and nobody bats an eye.

[Derio]

WAR is already the strongest right now in terms of cheese factor. And still has the best OGCDs. PLD was already nerfed. If anything they need to focus on fixing DRK, not buffing WAR when WAR already sits at the top for damage.

[Aana]

WAR is already the strongest right now in terms of cheese factor. And still has the best OGCDs. PLD was already nerfed. If anything they need to focus on fixing DRK, not buffing WAR when WAR already sits at the top for damage.

What exactly do you mean by best OGCDs? War has literally 2 OGCDs attacks. The community seems to believe onslaught is mediocre at best leaving the uppercut of doom. Compared to req, spirits, shield swipe + scorn?

Wut?

I don't follow.

[347SPECTRE]

Although I haven't capped it yet (lvl 68 on WAR) I would say WAR is in a good spot right now. PLD is solid but I'm not a big fan of its gameplay. DRK definitely needs some love right now. DPS could use a small boost and We're defintely lacking mitigation tools, especially pre-70. TBN is a poor replacement in that regard seeing as we don't even get it till we cap.

[Sylvain]

If someone needs a dps buff it's blm

[Dio_Tiferet]

If someone needs a dps buff it's blm

That wont change the fact that people don't want it because it does not provide the other classes with something.

Samurai is in exactly the same situation (maybe worse because it only has Diversion for emnity control and slashing is also obtained from NIN)

Its not so much about the personal DPS not making up for the lack of party utility its that everyone just wants to benefit from something the others bring.

TLDR; increasing personal DPS wont remove the stigma towards it but instead the other classes will just complain they don't get the same numbers.

[Gravton]

Why do people keep comparing war to pld? Does war need a dps buff when compared to drk? I thought the class with the least utility should do the most damage.

[WhyAmIHere]

Why do people keep comparing war to pld? Does war need a dps buff when compared to drk? I thought the class with the least utility should do the most damage.

offensive or defensive utility?
Let's address that before we go down that rabbit hole.