Warriors need MORE damage

[jameseoakes]

no way, heavensward warrior never had the amount of utility current PLD have while still able to compete in dealing the highest damage at the same time.
stormblood paladin is better than heavensward warrior,even if somehow SE changed warrior design back like 3.x with addition of 4.x skills the current PLD design will still outshine them

Wait what?

Edit: thanks to people who could word this better than me

[Dio_Tiferet]

Wait what?

My consciousness wishes for the guy that he's just trolling my intellect however fears for the worst.

[SyzzleSpark]

HW WAR had two debuffs that were not just good, they were mandatory. And it was the only job that could bring them. SB PLD earning a teamslot without having such broken utility is actually indicative of superior design. That's why nobody actually seriously believes that PLD is overpowered, because while it is really, really good, it doesn't fucking blackmail you into having to take it.

[DaulBan]

Yeah I gotta gree with James and Syzzle here: Permanent 10% damage down with very few exceptions kinda made WAR the best tank for literally everything. I mean, even now, permanent 10% mitigation by WAR with path would be better than anything in the PLD arsenal. Full stop. And at a time when WAR had the top DPS spot by a margin even greater than today...

[konpachizaraki]

HW WAR had two debuffs that were not just good, they were mandatory. And it was the only job that could bring them. SB PLD earning a teamslot without having such broken utility is actually indicative of superior design. That's why nobody actually seriously believes that PLD is overpowered, because while it is really, really good, it doesn't fucking blackmail you into having to take it.

can you explain the reason why paladin isn't as bad as warriors heavensward other than grudge, PLD are kinda mandatory to have as well that's why they're in almost every raid group if not all of them while WAR and DRK are interchangeable

[DaulBan]

HW


vs

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WAR in HW was almost exactly 2:1 to the other tanks. Because it made up almost every comp. Period. Hearing that someone wasn't running WAR was almost hilarious. PLD does not even come close to having the same dominance.

[Launched]

HW


vs

SB




WAR in HW was almost exactly 2:1 to the other tanks. Because it made up almost every comp. Period. Hearing that someone wasn't running WAR was almost hilarious. PLD does not even come close to having the same dominance.

That's because DRK was a badly designed PLD clone so that you never wanted both of them at the same time. Imagine a DRK trying to MT for Reprisal with no additional enmity while PLD has Savage Blade in its dps combo.

[Dio_Tiferet]

That's because DRK was a badly designed PLD clone so that you never wanted both of them at the same time. Imagine a DRK trying to MT for Reprisal with no additional enmity while PLD has Savage Blade in its dps combo.

Yes obviously it was DRK's fault WAR was ridiculously overpowered in 3.0

[jameseoakes]

That's because DRK was a badly designed PLD clone so that you never wanted both of them at the same time. Imagine a DRK trying to MT for Reprisal with no additional enmity while PLD has Savage Blade in its dps combo.

Didn't WAR also have it's aggro skills in it's DPS combo?

[SyzzleSpark]

There are 4 things that choosing not to bring a PLD to your raid group in SB does not cause:

1. The two tanks that you do bring dealing 10% less damage.
2. Any other user of slashing dealing 10% less damage.
3. Your NIN to have to use an inefficient rotation.
4. Missing out on an on-demand -10% incoming damage debuff.

This argument that PLD is as powerful as WAR was in HW is absolutely laughable. Anyone that continues to assert this deserves the most condescendingly snarky "RLY? SRSLY? xD" faces that the people on this forum can muster. To assert this is like saying DRK/PLD comps weren't horrible in HW. If you said that back in the day you were LOL'ed to the horizon and back, probably by the same people in this thread right now asking for buffs. In HW if you made a PF and a DRK and PLD joined people would immediately speak up and either ask one of them to swap or nag the PF leader about not locking a slot to WAR. By contrast I see DRK/WAR comps in PF all the time nowadays and nobody bats an eye.