Job Specific Traits?

[BigRed5392]

FFXI had elemental resistances and even general damage type resistances as well as an MMO which would effect party compositions depending on end game activity and even preferred exp locations for lvling up or earning merits. However it still didn't completely exclude jobs from content. .

umm so..... loldrg /kick was never a thing you saw? or lolpup? lolmnk? bst never got parties due to the exp reduction, I recall rdm who melee get kicked. I saw ppl vilified smn for not healing and doing their summons. what about blm that couldn't get pt during the colibri meripo?

ppl excluded jobs in ff11 i had first hand experience when i used to main mnk when "lolmnk" was a thing. it took me 8 hrs to get an exp party on a good day.

[RitsukoSonoda]

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That again had nothing to do with job specific traits. It had to do with either the job kit or the type of damage the job excelled at. 5x DRG + BRD merit party on colibri was popular because DRG dealt high amounts of piercing damage which most bird enemies like Colibri had horrible resistance against. RNG also did huge amounts of damage to birds with bows however DRG was favored because they could sub WHM and self sustain easily thanks to their pet. Also a majority of your examples apply to only exp/merit parties. In actual endgame nothing was completely excluded or unviable. However like FFXIV some jobs saw infrequent use either because something else just did it better or in the case of BST it was viewed as a primarily solo content job by the community and only used in rare instances where disposable pets made things easier.

As for the wait on EXP parties. That was pretty much the DF of FFXI and the DPS queue sucked as bad or worse than it did in FFXI even when people finally figured out DPS cannon parties work. However if you were a RDM or BRD you had to go /anon if you wanted to do something on that job otherwise you were spammed non stop by /tells asking if you'll join their exp/merit party.

[Gemina]

umm so..... loldrg /kick was never a thing you saw? or lolpup? lolmnk? bst never got parties due to the exp reduction, I recall rdm who melee get kicked. I saw ppl vilified smn for not healing and doing their summons. what about blm that couldn't get pt during the colibri meripo?

ppl excluded jobs in ff11 i had first hand experience when i used to main mnk when "lolmnk" was a thing. it took me 8 hrs to get an exp party on a good day.

In FFXI, I remember when leveling MNK, I used my 2-hour ability on a slime-type mob. If you recall, this ability had MNK throw an endless barrage of punches for the duration of the ability. Sounds awesome, right? Except MNKs punches were of the 'blunt' type, and slimes were resistant to that type. So despite being around level 15 and using my ultimate ability, this level 10 mob still wasted me. Now imagine the same thing in XIV, and the player who mains only a MNK, puts tons of hours in to get themselves a good spot in a raid, only to find out that the mobs are resistant to blunt damage?

This in itself shows how square has grown and learned from previous mistakes. Resistances creates constraints that limits possible job compositions, and a 2-hour ability is just dumb, dumb, so freakinggggggg DUMB! Things like this SE can fix. A skewed meta however, well that's on the community.

[Alacran]

Are we talking about cosmetic traits? If so, i feel a few additions would be very welcome. As mentioned before while Ninja have their weapons drawn they do a flip while running, could the same not be done with a Dragoon jumping with it's polearm drawn (jump animation off the ground-> landing animation change), or certain emotes added to every job that can only be done while that job stone is equipped (as is done in FFXI).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II8pZ_mG6f0

[BigRed5392]

i rather they limit the "flavor of the month" the best they can, it can ruin good mmo for people. it was pretty bad in ff11, and lets not forget the blm only garuda fights in 1.0

[SenorPatty]

Ever since the introduction of jobs into the XIV universe, it's always puzzled me how we never had any job specific traits. I'm not talking about those crappy second rate traits that we have now, but more so the ones that have made every job in the Final Fantasy series feel special and unique. Heavensward made it even more apparent as it was the so-called expansion that tried to promote how cool drg was. And just look how well that went? A drg without some kind of advantage over dragons and wyrm type mobs.

To get straight to my point, while XIV jobs are cool and all, they each lack that certain something makes each job special. These are what make and has made these jobs special in the franchise and SHOULD be there. So dear devs, could you please consider this as we make our way to future patches/expansions?

I can't agree with any of this.

First of all, aesthetically speaking, every job is unique from one another, starting with designs to animations. There is the caveat of SCH/SMN and the summoning act but that's where it ends.

Secondly, in terms of gameplay, specific traits that would give an advantage over a type of content just leads to promoting exclusion. Looking at your main class just from the profile, if such a thing existed, you'd be the first one out of the door in favor of a drg.

"I'll just switch to a drg then" You could tell yourself and maybe that'd be fine...and then it would rarely see the light of day for anything else outside dragon slaying.

So if you could suggest something that would make jobs even more special (aesthetically) than they are now, feel free to suggest. Or elaborate why they don't feel/look special.

[Felis]

Maybe if the devs allow job change during dungeons again.

Enter dungeon -> DPS players change to BLM to cast away the pulls -> first boss -> DPS players change to a single target job to hit the boss hard

[Talraen]

Maybe if the devs allow job change during dungeons again.

Enter dungeon -> DPS players change to BLM to cast away the pulls -> first boss -> DPS players change to a single target job to hit the boss hard

Then instead of needing one specific job, you'd need to level multiple specific jobs. Not an improvement.

[Evogolist]

If implemented right, job specific traits should only provide a slight boost to the job and not be a complete game changer. Given how XIV's formulas work, it would probably be barely noticeable. Say for example, the use of "insert said action here" would have certain percentage chance of procing that job trait. Many classes/jobs already work like that.

To be honest though, it depends on the person behind that job build. A drg with dragon killer could still be outclassed by someone on any of the other dps classes if the person playing that drg is bad and/or not performing well. The same goes for any other job.

[Lewtskie]

As people have pointed out, if its not something that noticeable or a game changer in combat, why take the time to make it; would seem like a waste. Now, more aesthetic differences or things not pertaining to combat sounds like a good thing. Things like the Ninja having a unique jump animation, and come 4.15 we'll see if the musical feature requires you to play a BRD or have BRD leveled. Such little things like that would be cool. I wouldn't be adverse to certain jobs getting this or that, WHM got a mount way back when for a side quest, maybe DRGs could have a side quest unlocked to only them where maybe they do get a Wyvern they can summon as a pet with actions, just no actual combat function.