Lets speak about Mentor's.

[ManuelBravo]

That is the whole point of this thread. The competent mentors are rare and the mentors who can't even play one class properly are not rare. Most people became a mentor for the crown and the mount and not because they want to help other players. But we can discuss that for 10k+ pages and nothing will change. We need a better system where not everyone can become a mentor without a clue and a ranking system for mentors overall so that the mentors who are useless get their crown revoked.

Hence the tip I gave people do get their status revoked if their are enough sequential complains and accounts have even been banned. The only problem with your approach is that your not giving actual violations and gives more the impression your just criticizing the way they play. Not knowing a role, not performing mechanics, is not in any shape or form a violation of terms of use which is what a GM cares about. You can complain 10k+ all you want without exact information that directly violates the terms your feed back is more of a lower priority to them. Some companies actually pay incentives for finding violations of terms.

[ManuelBravo]

I don't care if people don't play good but yeah you are right. Why should i bother if new players don't learn how to do things right from players in a system what is supposed to help them.

Well there are alternatives such as FC's,( questionable at times ), training hall, and the good old ask for help. All you can do is help in your own way. If you like to change the system do a petition and present an alternative as a solution. For example; make requirements harder, I would for example require all classes to be min 60. Clear high end raids min once month or spend a certain amount of time on them. Add a mentor commendation quota, have minimum 8k in achievement points, have minimum a completed up to date relic for each role, ect.

On a positive note the bonus XP when doing daily is great when you have a sprout or first time. I myself mentor and proud to say that sprouts seek my help and advice. Rare that I really have any issues with mentors or sprouts. So that it works, it works just some bad apples that ruin it for most and turn people salty.

[KrenianKandos]

I've unlocked the Mentor roulette.

I've done it all of 0 times.

It's just not worth it. I knew it as soon as I saw this system being introduced that it would be just terrible. At this point, I just did it to get the status and be done with it. I'm not even caring about the mount.

But in no way do I go ahead and activate mentor status. The novice network isn't even on for me.

It isn't that I dislike helping people. I just don't ever see the ability that this system could be anything but toxic when people need to follow mechanics and most don't even research.

I wouldn't be sad whatsoever with this system being removed entirely.

My two gil.

[Kurando]

When you activate your Mentor status, you are notified of what is expected.

"Your online status will be set to "Mentor". Other players will be able to identify you as a mentor while this setting is active.

As a mentor, you are expected to actively perform the following;
1. Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
3. Invite new adventurers to the Novice Channel, and answer their queries on the chat channel."

Seeing as any Mentor who uses the Mentor Roulette has their status automatically updated to show they are a Mentor (if they have it turned off), the above really should be expected of them all during that time. Now whether players choose to follow this or do whatever they want, well it's up to them and there is no way to enforce this, but do consider that any Mentor behaviour where you help others is always appreciated by novices and other mentors alike.

[Avatre]

When you activate your Mentor status, you are notified of what is expected.

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Seeing as any Mentor who uses the Mentor Roulette has their status automatically updated to show they are a Mentor (if they have it turned off), the above really should be expected of them all during that time. Now whether players choose to follow this or do whatever they want, well it's up to them and there is no way to enforce this, but do consider that any Mentor behaviour where you help others is always appreciated by novices and other mentors alike.

While that is true, I've ran into a lot of people who want to run things blind, and if you offer any sort of advice, they try to bite your head off. First thing I tend to say when I run my mentor roulette, is that if they want advice/help, just say so and I will be glad to help. Otherwise, I stay quiet and let them figure it out...until the 5th wipe of getting nowhere then I will start explaining things.

[Starflake]

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No, I didn't say so. It's just you who can't understand context. The only reason why I mentioned me doing 2000 mentor roulettes is to show and prove that I have the necessary experience as a mentor so that there is at least some merrit to what they have been experiencing. I also never blame sprouts completely. I said they are by far worse than mentors themselves and that a lot of them are self entitled. I never said all of them.
I had a very positive time as a mentor, doing mentor roulettes, otherwise I would never have made it to 2000 and the fact that I got my Parade mount when starting at like 400 commendations says it all how others experienced me. I ended with 3200 commendations. That is almost two commenations per roulette on average. You assume, you assume and you assume some more. You do not know how I dealt with my mentor roulettes, you don't know if I was positive or not. You are just the pretentious kind of waffle ironer I claimed people like you are. Immediately jump the bandwagon, immediately have confimation bias that these mentors must be evil and negative. I was none of these things in game or I would have never made it and I would have my status revoked. You turn this into a hyperbolistic circus because you found nothing in facts and everything in assumptions. There are at least four in your last comment and all of them are false. The only negative person here, ironically is you.

[silverlunarfox]

LOL snip

*rolls eyes* now youre just arguing for the sake of arguing. Clearly you don't read your own statements and demands. Now youre changing what you originally posted.... God forbid I make statements based on your statements. Your emotions are quite clear in your type. You type in negative connotation the entire time. But thats fine. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm totally negative, for pointing out the issue might just be you. That I love being a mentor to help people and don't constantly complain about sprouts and lazy and shitty people right? Wait, those were your exact descriptors of people in roulettes.... >.> HRMMMMMM... (thanks for making my day though, I needed that )

pretentious kind of waffle ironer The fact a muffin like you claims I'm a waffle I'm ok with. Waffles are tasty. But I love the name calling please continue. Shame I won't read the rest >.>

[Starflake]

*rolls eyes*

pretentious kind of waffle ironer The fact a muffin like you claims I'm a waffle I'm ok with. Waffles are tasty. But I love the name calling please continue. Shame I won't read the rest >.>

Name me one thing I am inconsistent in. Just quote me. I will eagerly await your response. I have given you an obvious case as to why the issue is not me. But it does me good that you have taken a less "radical" stance. If the issue "might" be with me. Well, it wasn't so I guess it's case closed. Also, waffle ironers are not tasty. You just seem to have a major problem with me having the stance that a lot of mentors are just way better behaved and even moral than most sprouts I've met. You see, I can play your game too. Your negative outlook on mentors is nothing but a reflection of yourself. Yes, "maybe" you are the problem and the issue "might" be on your end. Who knows? Now I will make some baseless assumptions about your such as you just don't like it when people claim something opposite of your view and you like the taste of waffle ironers. You see? It's easy to play this game. I have said absolutely nothing wrong in this tread but for the simple fact that in my experience, sprouts on average are way more self centred and terrible in this game in comparison to mentors.

Let us put your shameless lies and baseless assumptions to rest:

- I was not in it only for Astrope, I helped out a great deal in every rouelette
- I do not think ALL sprouts are terrible human beings
- I do not constantly complain that sprouts are lazy and shitty people
- I am not mostly a negative person in game
- I do not feel entitled to anything for having done 2000 mentor roulettes
- I have never claimed everyone else is to blame
- I am not a nancy
- I am not a muffin

You see, the reality is that you have said nothing useful. All of it is based on nothing to perpetuate your hatred for these big evil mentors. It's a shame it had to turn out this way, but clearly, very clearly, the only one who is overly emotional is you. I don't owe you any explanation or justification about my in game behaviour, even less so when you already made up your mind. Good luck though!

[LathyrusLoon]

I definitely know someone who became a mentor just for the crown. And he's not a great mentor. His ability to explain any mechanic clearly is less than ideal and he's extremely judgemental about any player that dares to have slightly under leveled gear- which is absurd to criticize sprouts on!

I agree with the other comments that say the crown shouldn't be a symbol of a mentor. Maybe move the crown to players that have capped all their classes or something crazy like that, "masters" of levelling. Mentors should have something like a watering can. Sure there will still be assholes that get the mentor status as "proof" of their superiority or just to get the status and be done with it. But I still think that taking away the shiny gold "good job" sticker would help tremendously.

[MaloraYuki]

well in their defence, a lot of players (nlot just mentors) don't know how to help, or give advice. they start with an insult and try to force help on others.

I’ve had new player tear into me for just saying just a heads up if you do this you will have better results with this. You can take advice or leave it. All advice is optional and pointing out that one thing works better than another isn’t insulting someone it’s just giving advice. I admit when I was new I had people insult me for being new but that’s not a reason to go after anyone who actually wants to help you. There is no defense for telling someone like kairi she is mental for wanting to help people. Their is nothing to defend there it’s someone being a troll or just straight up a bitch.