Updated Thoughts on MNK. pt. 1: Form Shift

[LeeraSorlan]

Then that only means they don't actually love the job.

If i eat chocolate cake for 3 years, and i love that chocolate cake, and then suddenly they remove the chocolate icing and replace it with literally poo. im not gonna eat that chocolate cake anymore, im going to go find a new better cake.

a cake i used to love is now disgusting, and i no longer have the desire to eat it. it doesnt mean i didnt love the cake, it means they ruined it so much that the cake is no longer for me

[EllieShadeflare]

If i eat chocolate cake for 3 years, and i love that chocolate cake, and then suddenly they remove the chocolate icing and replace it with literally poo white chocolate. im not gonna eat that chocolate cake anymore, im going to go find a new better cake.

a cake i used to love is now disgusting not to my taste, and i no longer have the desire to eat it. it doesnt mean i didnt love the cake, it means they ruined changed it so much that the cake is no longer for me

You could have worded that a lot better without invalidating players' opinions on the matter. I mean... if you want change, you have to be persuasive, not combative.

[Kahnom]

If i eat chocolate cake for 3 years, and i love that chocolate cake, and then suddenly they remove the chocolate icing and replace it with literally poo. im not gonna eat that chocolate cake anymore, im going to go find a new better cake.

a cake i used to love is now disgusting, and i no longer have the desire to eat it. it doesnt mean i didnt love the cake, it means they ruined it so much that the cake is no longer for me

Say what you want but in the end you only have 2 options.
1) Standstill and keep "Hoping" that someday things will change.
OR
2) Move forward by Embraces everything the game throwing at you.
Adapt , Adjust and Evolve yourself along with the job you love.

Your call.

[Svabodnik]

Say what you want but in the end you only have 2 options.
1) Standstill and keep "Hoping" that someday things will change.
OR
2) Move forward by Embraces everything the game throwing at you.
Adapt , Adjust and Evolve yourself along with the job you love.

Your call.

If bard's Wanderer's Minuet changes from 3.X to 4.X have anything to show, enough noise about class changes the players don't like may eventually change it, so 1) isn't as much of a dead end as you suggest it to be. Reason for that being is there actually is an option - 3) Play another game if this one stops being fun. Considering the players are paying customers, SE would prefer it if the players didn't take this option.

[Kahnom]

If bard's Wanderer's Minuet changes from 3.X to 4.X have anything to show, enough noise about class changes the players don't like may eventually change it, so 1) isn't as much of a dead end as you suggest it to be. Reason for that being is there actually is an option - 3) Play another game if this one stops being fun. Considering the players are paying customers, SE would prefer it if the players didn't take this option.

Brd's situation had changed its game play entirely but even became Bow-Mage,tons of main bards're still stuck with the job because they're still love being bard.They accept the change,not give in the limited of mobility and doing awesome dps.It is the prove that we can take on anything if we're willing to adapt.

[Tigerlilley]

Brd's situation had changed its game play entirely but even became Bow-Mage,tons of main bards're still stuck with the job because they're still love being bard.They accept the change,not give in the limited of mobility and doing awesome dps.It is the prove that we can take on anything if we're willing to adapt.

Actually, majority of the lifetime bards I knew switched to MCH to raid, especially during Gordias and Midas. They hated WM. Everyone hated WM. There were threads about how much everyone hated it for the entirety of Heavensward. Unfortunately, there wasn't much choice for ranged physical dps because MCH had Gauss Barrel which gave them cast times as well.
I'm not sure if you were here for the start of Gordias but there was a MASS exodus of raiders from the game (for other reasons as well obviously). I knew bards who quit because of the changes and have only now come back for Stormblood. I don't think it's fair to say there is proof there that if we ignore and issue it'll get better any more than it is to say that all bards accepted the change. A lot of them certainly didn't.

Now they've got their class back everyone has been commenting on the lack of MCH. The change to Bard has been praised to high heaven and people are thankful the cast times are gone. Bards Stormblood changes have really made the class fun again.

The problem with Monk isn't that it's changed, it's that is hasn't. It hasn't for two expansions. Every other role in the game has grown in role / rotation / skills / gameplay and all Monk got was making an off gcd now an RNG off gcd, a slow debuff, and a weaksauce utility.

They took away blood for blood, fine, but then they gave us a slow debuff? Why do monks get slowed down as a buff when Greased Lightning, the absolute baseline of being a monk, is to speed it up? Why give bards cast times when their identity was mobility? It's the same thing and that's why people hate it.

[wereotter]

Samurai - I don't play but several in /shout say they just hold Meditate which is a channeled ability? Maybe someone can elaborate (while staying on point).

It's not entirely relevant considering the point, but meditate isn't really an accurate comparison to the need to maintain greased lightning or huton. Samurai need to maintain both Shifu to gain their GCD haste, and Jinpu in order to maintain their damage up buff, both are the second moves in their three move combos that need to be completed in order to gain Sen in order to perform other attacks.

A samurai can use Meikyo Shisui in order to get back all their buffs, but this is at a DPS loss if they do so. I will say, however, that considering that they only have to spend 5 global cool downs to get all their buffs back, they're already at an advantage over monks. Additionally, most samurai, that I'm currently aware of, will start off by gaining their skill speed first with a Kasha combo so that they can more quickly get back there damage up with a Gekko combo. Doing the same process for monks would require the use of 7 global cool downs, and that's assuming you form shift appropriately in order to gain a greased lightning stack with your first GCD.

[Kahnom]

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True about brd.its like slap in the player's face,I'm aware of that.
But there's nothing we could do back there and of course it should ..no.. it must be fixed.
Now I'm glad that brd has got their signature's back and as we all see,Brd got fixed because it must be done.
Unlike like monk.Monk doesn't need any major fix right now.

[SpeckledBurd]

True about brd.its like slap in the player's face,I'm aware of that.
But there's nothing we could do back there and of course it should ..no.. it must be fixed.
Now I'm glad that brd has got their signature's back and as we all see,Brd got fixed because it must be done.
Unlike like monk.Monk doesn't need any major fix right now.

Monk absolutely does need major fixes because the devs should be ashamed that Stormblood Monk ever existed in its current form.

Monk continues to lack a huge amount of basic parts of its kit that most other jobs have. It doesn't get a ranged GCD at low levels for single mob pulls. Monk's mobility is terrible, easily the worst of the Melee. We only have one mobility cooldown and we have to use it on cooldown to deal our maximum damage. Ninja and Samurai never have to use their gap closers to achieve Max Damage. Dragoon, while it does need to use its jumps to achieve Max Damage and to build eyes for Life of the Dragon, also has Elusive Jump which allows a great amount of Free Movement at no cost. Monk doesn't have an AOE chakra dump, so we have to dump Forbidden Chakras on single targets in AOE situations. Monk didn't just get a new ability to maintain it's stacks where Black Mage and Dragoon got that utility added to old actions, it's new action is actually worse than the reworked old actions. Black Mage can maintain Enochian indefinitely with Transpose, Dragoon can literally just add 15 seconds to its much longer Blood of the Dragon timer when ever it wants. For Riddle of Earth to work Monk has to get hit, so we can't control our refresh time ourself. It's also on such a long cooldown that if two mechanics that require a GL3 refresh happen back to back Monk is just shit out of luck (Third boss of Rabanstre). Coupled with how GL3 is incredibly short means we can and often do end up losing our stacks before we actually take the hit outside of one fight where it's reliable. Perfect Balance's cooldown is stupid. There's no reason for it to be 3 minutes long when equivalent abilities are on 30 second cooldowns. Our Aggro generation is insane and while Diversion is useful in limiting it, it's cooldown is too long to be effective, we could very much use an aggro 1/2 Skill. And that doesn't even begin to get into changes that Monk has been waiting on for a long time that it should have gotten in Stormblood that it just didn't get with the action rework.