WHM Role Skills?

[Cynfael]

I really disagree that Lagresse is low priority.

Largesse's priority depends on how much you are able to leverage abilities vs. spells.

If a large portion of your healing is coming from abilities (as it should if the healer is playing efficiently and if the party is not making life difficult), Largesse's value is diminished.

On the other hand, if you are having to use GCD heals frequently, or if you anticipate the need for significant burst healing, Largesse pays for its slot.

[miraidensetsu]

Largesse's priority depends on how much you are able to leverage abilities vs. spells.

If a large portion of your healing is coming from abilities (as it should if the healer is playing efficiently and if the party is not making life difficult), Largesse's value is diminished.

On the other hand, if you are having to use GCD heals frequently, or if you anticipate the need for significant burst healing, Largesse pays for its slot.

How to make a large portion of a White Mage's healing come from just Bene (180s CD, 100% HP), Asylum (90s CD, 100 pot for 24s) Assize (60s CD, 300 pot), Tetra (60s CD, 700 pot) and PI (60s CD, 150/300/450 depending on confession stacks)?

Remember that Cure, Cure 2, Cure 3, Regen, Medica and Medica 2 are spells. And I think that most of WHM's healing include those 6 spells.

[Ghishlain]

I really disagree that Lagresse is low priority.

As Cynfael has mentioned, your mileage with Lagresse is dependent on spending your GCDs to heal. My own personal experience is my healing partner in my static loves pushing HPS so I'm left to essentially Regen, use my oGCD heals, and occasionally GCD spot heal. This puts Largesse pretty low on the scale for my on a personal tier list.

I still want to know why Break even exists. It’s so horribly useless that’s basically a “noobtrap” skill that tries to fool new players into thinking it has to be good for something simply because it exists.

The only time I've seen Break used at the highest skill levels is during the first O4S solo heal when the N.AST was using it to fill GCDs between mechanics without spending MP. That's... about it. lol. It's not much of a reason but still puts it slightly ahead of "useless" I guess? *Shrugs*

[Cynfael]

As Cynfael has mentioned, your mileage with Lagresse is dependent on spending your GCDs to heal. My own personal experience is my healing partner in my static loves pushing HPS so I'm left to essentially Regen, use my oGCD heals, and occasionally GCD spot heal. This puts Largesse pretty low on the scale for my on a personal tier list.



The only time I've seen Break used at the highest skill levels is during the first O4S solo heal when the N.AST was using it to fill GCDs between mechanics without spending MP. That's... about it. lol. It's not much of a reason but still puts it slightly ahead of "useless" I guess? *Shrugs*

You have a point; I forgot that it had an MP cost of 0, so I suppose it's better than nothing if you're attempting a world first and are having to make every point of MP and every GCD count.

[dragonseth07]

As Cynfael has mentioned, your mileage with Lagresse is dependent on spending your GCDs to heal. My own personal experience is my healing partner in my static loves pushing HPS so I'm left to essentially Regen, use my oGCD heals, and occasionally GCD spot heal. This puts Largesse pretty low on the scale for my on a personal tier list.

The reason I see everyone use it because Regen is still a spell. Largesse+Regen is enormous. You may not use Cure much, but you use Regen a LOT.

[Tridus]

I pretty much always use Lucid Dreaming, Swiftcast, Esuna, and Largesse. For the content I'm doing (ie: not savage) those are always handy. Sometimes Esuna isn't useful, but leaving it on means I don't have to remember to put it back on for the cases that do need it and thus doesn't result in unnecessary deaths when Doom comes out. Swapping out is something that is more useful in harder content where the extra bit matters, below that it's simpler to keep your favorites on all the time.

I had Rescue for a while but I find it's activation is just too slow, by time it grabs someone and moves them the odds are the effect I was trying to rescue them from has already gone off. So I got very few saves with it. I have Surecast there now instead.

I use the protect swap macro below to effectively have both Protect and Surecast at the same time. It also tells the party I'm casting Protect, which has proven extremely effective at stopping people from running away from it. (Doesn't work in combat.)

/macroicon Protect
/macroerror off
/aaction Surecast off
/aaction Protect on
/p Casting Protect, please stay close!
/ac "Protect" <me>
/wait 3
/aaction Protect off
/aaction Surecast on

[Kacho_Nacho]

*snippers*

I use the protect swap macro below to effectively have both Protect and Surecast at the same time. It also tells the party I'm casting Protect, which has proven extremely effective at stopping people from running away from it. (Doesn't work in combat.)

/macroicon Protect
/macroerror off
/aaction Surecast off
/aaction Protect on
/p Casting Protect, please stay close!
/ac "Protect" <me>
/wait 3
/aaction Protect off
/aaction Surecast on

Thank you, Tridus!

/hug

Let's see...

I use Esuna, Lucid Dreaming, Protect, Largesse, and Swiftcast. I've been looking hard at Rescue; but, I'm not sure if people would appreciate me using it, even if I pulled them out of a certain death AoE. I'd love to hear other healer's experiences with this spell. Do non-healers like it? What uses have you found for Rescue?

(Rescue is taken just to increase PLD DPS since they don't have a gap closer when they get knocked back).

Clever!

[Tridus]

Thank you, Tridus!

/hug

I've been looking hard at Rescue; but, I'm not sure if people would appreciate me using it, even if I pulled them out of a certain death AoE. I'd love to hear other healer's experiences with this spell. Do non-healers like it? What uses have you found for Rescue?

I had Rescue, but I found it hard to use because it's rather slow in activating. So, I'll see someone needs it, I'll target them and cast it, it picks them up and starts moving them, but the effect goes off while they're moving and they still take the hit. That happened a fair bit. Actual saves with it were pretty rare.

This is in DF and occasional PF content.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I had Rescue, but I found it hard to use because it's rather slow in activating. So, I'll see someone needs it, I'll target them and cast it, it picks them up and starts moving them, but the effect goes off while they're moving and they still take the hit. That happened a fair bit. Actual saves with it were pretty rare.

This is in DF and occasional PF content.

Well, that stinks. Hopefully, if enough players make some noise about it, Rescue will be corrected. No use having an ability which doesn't work. Heck, just giving the target 100% immunity to damage while Rescue is moving them would help, from what you say.

[Zarabeth]

Let's see...

I use Esuna, Lucid Dreaming, Protect, Largesse, and Swiftcast.

This is also what I use. Cleric stance is pretty useless now. IMO lucid dreaming esuna and swiftcast are must - haves. I'm a healing WHM though, I only dps if I have time and everyone's health is ok.