Windows update 1709 DO NOT INSTALL

**Voltron_HD** · 10-20-2017 01:48 PM

whelp just installed this update and it totally messed everything up. Game mode can no longer be disabled through the toggle switch like before and its making the game stutter city. Tried disabling it through the regedit and it did not work. no longer a gamebar under software in regedit either, so thats a bust as well. Not sure what to do do now to be honest. all i know is that its bad. everytime i click to my second monitor, ffxiv on the main monitor takes a dump, the more you click back and fourth the worse it gets.

**Hestzhyen** · 10-20-2017 02:34 PM

I installed it today too and everything works fine. Can you post your specs so the devs can get an idea of what configurations are suffering performance issues? For example, here's mine:

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System Information
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      Time of this report: 10/20/2017, 01:32:43
             Machine name: MERPO
         Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 15063) (15063.rs2_release.170317-1834)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: MSI
             System Model: MS-7816
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 04/02/13 00:51:14 Ver: 04.06.05
                Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
                   Memory: 8192MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 8120MB RAM
                Page File: 3974MB used, 12337MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
       System DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.15063.0000 64bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: GeForce GTX 970
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
        Device Type: Full Device
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_13C2&SUBSYS_19703842&REV_A1
      Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER] 
Device Problem Code: No Problem
Driver Problem Code: Unknown
     Display Memory: 8119 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 4059 MB
      Shared Memory: 4060 MB
       Current Mode: 2560 x 1440 (32 bit) (59Hz)
       Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
      Monitor Model: DVI
         Monitor Id: DPL2700
        Native Mode: 2560 x 1440(p) (59.951Hz)
        Output Type: DVI
        Driver Name: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_ref_pubwu.inf_amd64_f9309145156afb40\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_ref_pubwu.inf_amd64_f9309145156afb40\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_ref_pubwu.inf_amd64_f9309145156afb40\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_ref_pubwu.inf_amd64_f9309145156afb40\nvldumdx.dll
Driver File Version: 22.21.0013.8205 (English)
     Driver Version: 22.21.13.8205
        DDI Version: 12
     Feature Levels: 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1
       Driver Model: WDDM 2.2
Graphics Preemption: DMA
 Compute Preemption: DMA
           Miracast: Not Supported
Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported
     Power P-states: Not Supported
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 4/30/2017 8:00:00 PM, 901704 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown
  Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-5082-11CF-FF7B-7D391BC2DB35}
          Vendor ID: 0x10DE
          Device ID: 0x13C2
          SubSys ID: 0x19703842
        Revision ID: 0x00A1
 Driver Strong Name: oem6.inf:0f066de3ad0bda5c:Section088:22.21.13.8205:pci\ven_10de&dev_13c2
     Rank Of Driver: 00D12001

I got this by pressing Windows key + R, entering dxdiag, pressing enter, then telling it to save all the information to an external file. It'll dump a text file called "DxDiag.txt" in your root folder that you can open and copy/paste from.

**Voltron_HD** · 10-20-2017 10:02 PM

as soon as I get home from work ill post what you asked for

For now I can give very basic information about my setup:
Windows 10 Home (64 bit)
Intel core i7-7700 3.6
MSI h110m-pro-vd plus
Directx 12
32 GB RAM
Auros GTX 1080ti Extreme
1440p 144hz G-Sync Main monitor (DP), 1080p 60hz secondary monitor (HDMI)

EDIT****

I was able to roll back the windows version. However it is now attempting to download and install 1709...I and there is no way I can stop it. gpedit can no longer be found through the run command. All I can do now is put metered connection on and hope to delay the download until I find a way to disable the update.

**Xeon** · 10-21-2017 10:49 PM

That update busts performance of almost every game. The only place it really helps is for those using the intel IGP. On any other dedicated GPU, it drops FPS, even though some people dont know it. If they benchmarked with and without the update, they will then see that they're losing performance with the update. It seems to hinder min FPS the most, causing stuttering.

Every reputable review site on the planet has reviewed this and found it to be true. Google how to "disable creator's update" for your fix.

**Levirre** · 10-22-2017 11:35 AM

I updated to this updated and deleted the recovery like a big dummy. I'm also suffering these issues and reinstalling windows did not work for me because the latest iso contains the Fal lcreators update.

I was able to get back to almost my peak fps by uninstalling the latest october nvidia driver: 387.92 - WHQL
and rolling back to the September driver: 385.69 - WHQL

It pains me to feel how intrusive these new Windows 10 updates are.

My specs:

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System Information
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      Time of this report: 10/21/2017, 19:21:42
             Machine name: KRSCHVL
               Machine Id: {9D40EE82-1D7C-4893-9A70-3C6493054118}
         Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 16299) (16299.rs3_release.170928-1534)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
             System Model: K501UX
                     BIOS: K501UX.209
                Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
                   Memory: 8192MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 7988MB RAM
                Page File: 5994MB used, 16201MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: 120 DPI (125 percent)
       System DPI Setting: 120 DPI (125 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: UnKnown
                 Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.16299.0015 64bit Unicode

           Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950M
        Manufacturer: NVIDIA
           Chip type: GeForce GTX 950M
            DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Type: Render-Only Device
          Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_139A&SUBSYS_1D1D1043&REV_A2
       Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER] 
 Device Problem Code: No Problem
 Driver Problem Code: Unknown
      Display Memory: 6013 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 2019 MB
       Shared Memory: 3993 MB
        Current Mode: Unknown
         HDR Support: Unknown
    Display Topology: Unknown
 Display Color Space: Unknown
     Color Primaries: Unknown
   Display Luminance: Unknown
         Driver Name: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvami.inf_amd64_be68490c36dd0154\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvami.inf_amd64_be68490c36dd0154\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvami.inf_amd64_be68490c36dd0154\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvami.inf_amd64_be68490c36dd0154\nvldumdx.dll
 Driver File Version: 22.21.0013.8569 (English)
      Driver Version: 22.21.13.8569
         DDI Version: 12
      Feature Levels: 11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1
        Driver Model: WDDM 2.2
 Graphics Preemption: DMA
  Compute Preemption: DMA
            Miracast: Not Supported by Graphics driver
 Hybrid Graphics GPU: Discrete
      Power P-states: Not Supported
   Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 9/15/2017 5:00:00 PM, 893456 bytes
         WHQL Logo'd: Yes
     WHQL Date Stamp: Unknown
   Device Identifier: Unknown
           Vendor ID: 0x10DE
           Device ID: 0x139A
           SubSys ID: 0x1D1D1043
         Revision ID: 0x00A2
  Driver Strong Name: oem134.inf:0f066de34fa96a6b:Section148:22.21.13.8569:pci\ven_10de&dev_139a&subsys_1d1d1043
      Rank Of Driver: 00D10001
         Video Accel: Unknown
         DXVA2 Modes: DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_VLD  DXVA2_ModeVC1_D2010  DXVA2_ModeVC1_VLD  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_Progressive_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT  DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main  DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_Simple  DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_AdvSimple_NoGMC  
      Deinterlace Caps: n/a
        D3D9 Overlay: Unknown
             DXVA-HD: Unknown
        DDraw Status: Enabled
          D3D Status: Enabled
          AGP Status: Enabled
       MPO MaxPlanes: 0
            MPO Caps: Not Supported
         MPO Stretch: Not Supported
     MPO Media Hints: Not Supported
         MPO Formats: Not Supported
    PanelFitter Caps: Not Supported
 PanelFitter Stretch: Not Supported

**DarkArvan** · 10-23-2017 04:05 AM

No problems here so far, with 387.92 and Win10 1709, testing it since 3 weeks. Game Mode on or off doesnt impact performance for me. (You can deativate it via Game Bar)

**Voltron_HD** · 10-23-2017 12:20 PM

So as of Saturday i was able to get on Live support (Chat) with windows and i asked if they could disable the update to 1709 as it was cuasing crazy havok. They didnt fight me at all on it and remoted into my computer and disabled the update. My hope for now is that they sort out the errors its causing and on the next "forced" update everything will be okay. Hopefully I dont find myself waiting to get that one blocked too.

**Wade** · 10-28-2017 03:39 AM

Are you using Frame Rate Limit by any chance? I've been getting random FPS drops where the GPU power usage drops too when I had 60fps limit on. I've set None and now it doesn't randomly drop. Previously it was 60fps with random drops to 30fps for no more than a second when I ran around or moved the camera a lot, now it hovers at 70-75fps constantly.

Prior to this I had problems that required me to do a totally clean install of the graphics drivers using Driver Cleaner to remove the old ones first.

Very annoying though as anything over 60FPS is a waste on my monitor so my card is working harder than it needs to. Fortunately I've got an AIO cooler so the fan isn't crazy like a stock 1080ti would be.

**Gajeel** · 10-29-2017 07:25 PM

My g/f is having a similar issue the problem is whenever she gets into the game instead of it just crashing one monitor it kills both of them and then d/c's her as well i've tried everything from checking her drivers to uninstalling the game to having it in direct x9 nothing seems to fix the issue.

**Axel-Foley** · 11-04-2017 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Wade

Are you using Frame Rate Limit by any chance? I've been getting random FPS drops where the GPU power usage drops too when I had 60fps limit on. I've set None and now it doesn't randomly drop. Previously it was 60fps with random drops to 30fps for no more than a second when I ran around or moved the camera a lot, now it hovers at 70-75fps constantly.

Prior to this I had problems that required me to do a totally clean install of the graphics drivers using Driver Cleaner to remove the old ones first.

Very annoying though as anything over 60FPS is a waste on my monitor so my card is working harder than it needs to. Fortunately I've got an AIO cooler so the fan isn't crazy like a stock 1080ti would be.

This is causing me huge problems! I have a G sync monitor so I use Frame Rate Limiter to keep me at 100 fps. Without it, I go over 100 fps and nullify G sync. With it turned on I am getting my FPS stuck at 50. This is super frustrating! This is only happening on FFXIV. I hope they will fix this!

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