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    alimdia's Avatar
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira View Post
    Hyperbole. Strawman. nothing purchasable so far grants a significant advantage over other players. why the hell would they make jump potions for anima weapons when 2.0 version is still a grind. What am I winning if my squadron is max level?
    The opinion will vary wildly in that topic.

    Many people are against the sale of sub tokens because RMT is pay to win, but additional retainers can generate millions of gil every few days. So it depends whether you consider turning real money into gil pay to win or not.
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    Nora Origo
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    The opinion will vary wildly in that topic.

    Many people are against the sale of sub tokens because RMT is pay to win, but additional retainers can generate millions of gil every few days. So it depends whether you consider turning real money into gil pay to win or not.

    for what its worth, I don't at all consider it pay to win in FFxiv because gil cannot get the best gear in the game short of paying other people to clear content for you, which I cant imagine clearing V3S/V4S with 1 complete dead weight. I also dont gather/craft or own a house and I find myself barely spending gil at all. and even then, very little content is gated by high iLvl so they win nothing in my eyes.
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    Hex Pathcrosser
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 72
    Here's the thing.

    Every time a new expansion is released, everyone wants to try the new classes. I was a Dragoon main in Heavensward and now I main Samurai, so in order to make my dragoon retainer a samurai (since he had the job vocation script), I had to reset and start from level 1 again.

    I think that is why they made the retainer jump potion. Would I have put it in mog station? Absolutely not, but SE is a business and profits keep this game alive so I can see why they did it.
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    Athanasios Seiun
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Jump potions for retainers was asked for? That's... a weird request. Don't really see what's wrong with doing quick ventures every hour while you're playing and then send them off on an exploration when you're about to log off for a while to sleep, etc. They get chunks of exp often while you play and whatever they pick up once while you're not.
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Retainer jump potions don't really have much of an effect, except possibly getting more of the minions your retainers can bring back onto the market. That's about it, maybe some other "harder" to get crafting materials.

    Class jump potions...well...those can have an effect on the community of the user of the potion refuses to do any research/ask about the class. My experience is mostly everyone who used them actually asks, and wants to learn to better themselves. There are definitely the others, but not always the case.
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    Stigmar Ragnork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
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    I totally agree with you there unfortunately there is no good system to teach people the advance stuff in game when they do use one. Maybe am just old but I remember a time when you brought a game and that was it, you got everything it had to offer unless it was Capcom (looking at you Super Street fighter II on the Megadrive) I am just surprise how eager people are to accept certain business practices now that would of had riots 20 years ago.
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmar View Post
    I totally agree with you there unfortunately there is no good system to teach people the advance stuff in game when they do use one. Maybe am just old but I remember a time when you brought a game and that was it, you got everything it had to offer unless it was Capcom (looking at you Super Street fighter II on the Megadrive) I am just surprise how eager people are to accept certain business practices now that would of had riots 20 years ago.
    I remember those days. Miss playing some of those older games too...might end up hooking up the SNES and playing a few games that we still have...or just taking over the N64 for a bit of Goldeneye fun.
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    If everyone and their dog was seriously paying for the full set of retainers and jump potions, I think S-E would be too happy to care about it weakening the gathering market. It's only going to be a tiny minority of people. Paying for extra retainers has been a thing for ages and the actual levelling of them is trivial compared to the cost of paying a higher subscription for years.

    Why do people care so much about things which don't directly affect them? If your server is full of rich whales and their armies of retainers then maybe don't focus on venture rewards as your sole source of income.

    I will be somewhat disgruntled when they add crafter AF as a separate glamour item rather than making it available in-game (as in the overseas Mog Station).
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    Lele Inoch
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    Thing is people need to understand, things in Mogstation is optional. No pay-to-win. A jump potion for retainers is plainly for the lazy person who can't be bothered with level them up (i dont blame them, its a pain in the ass and i would buy one if i didnt already have 8 retainers at lv70)
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