SE! DRK Needs a Raise [Summarized suggestions]

[SyzzleSpark]

You forgot to read a part!

Like RDM and their Enchanted combo.

Ah, I see.

So at this point my only issue with this change is that it would be 100% uptime, unless I neglected to read an important detail somewhere else as well. RDM's buff is not 100% uptime, but when you bring a job that offers a permanent buff to even just a couple of party members' DPS (think the current Disembowel to see how weak a debuff like this can be, but those that benefit from it will still raise hell to ensure they have it) it becomes a thing that you are at a permanent disadvantage without.

Now, if this were a buff with like a 20s duration and 90s cooldown, I think that'd be really good.

[SummerScorcher]

Ah, I see. (think the current Disembowel to see how weak a debuff like this can be, but those that benefit from it will still raise hell to ensure they have it) it becomes a thing that you are at a permanent disadvantage without.

Now, if this were a buff with like a 20s duration and 90s cooldown, I think that'd be really good.

Your points are very valid, but one thing I personally love about DRK is that you are in control when you want to burst; if the boss jump away for a bit after using Dark Arts, it's alot less punishing than just having used Berserk, for example (of course that can be planned around, but my point stands) having it be a cooldown like that would be like adding a Damage % up effect to 4.0 Delirium where losing it would be very not-good.

Both work, but they both have downsides as well I suppose!

[Awful]

Tbh giving Drks a magic +DPS niche wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, if SE fixes their mitigation and give them utility and help magic DPS in competitive DPS VS Melee then I'd honestly be fine with it as it fixes 2 problems at once.

[Shinkyo]

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I'm the one who initiated the Magic vulnerability thread.
You need to consider that all casters are currently out of meta party composition because they lack utility and have no synergy in the party. This change is to provide an alternative competitive composition that would be caster oriented as opposed to the double melee/ranged DPS we've had since HW and again in SB.
the potency of the debuff can be adjusted so it's not OP, that's for SE to properly determined (2%-5% is my guess).
The main idea is to give DRK a unique party utility and incentives to bring casters and DRK in a group (which there are none at the moment, aside from RDM raise).

[Claire_Pendragon]

Good thread. I have just one small comment/addition:



The extra 5y on Plunge is really important to actually give it value as a gap-closer (it currently basically moves you about as far as you could run in a GCD anyway), but an equally important change to it is just to make the animation much, much faster. It should go off as quickly as Onslaught.

Dark Knight already has more frequently-used oGCD skills than any other tank in the game - any other class in the game, for that matter, if you exclude Ninja mudras - and being able to use Plunge and Dark Arts on the same GCD without clipping would make a huge difference to how the class feels to play.

If i had to pick between the 2, changing the distance is more important than quickening the animation. (Obviously i want both)

Main reason being Ex-Death (savage).
Since they probably test this game with less than 30 ping...
On any other job, if I press my gap closer at the end of the cast bar, mid swing animation, it will go off/show the animation of the gap closer as im being thrown back. and eat the CD.
Same with DRK.
But if you press it the moment u see the animation of ur character moving backward (technically i get a bit trigger happy, and press like 0.3 second sooner than even that) all other jobs will leap back to the boss.
DRK will instead, show the gap close animation start, then cancel, and say you're not in range, and ur still being pushed back as it does this. the push back isnt even finished moving u yet.

The distance on it is ridiculous, and needs fixed.
We shouldnt be sprinting back to the boss, when we have a supposed gap closer.
(It could be argued the reason we fail to gapclose might be the animation is too long, and not the range, but id thinkt he distance is more important than the current animation lock. And of course, i still want the animation lock to be at LEAST 33% shorter.)

[Levinhelp]

So far I like a lot of this and happy to see it isn't just bunch random unthought, unbalanced op junk to make the Job work. I do like the idea of magic vuln working with dark arts skills, maybe we might be lucky and Yoshi-p will show the Job some love.

[Chrono_Rising]

I like alot of these suggestions and would also like to add lowering the cooldown on blood weapon and price to the list. It avoids resource starvation and better aligns our “burst” with party buffs

[InfiniDragon]

I like alotnof these suggestions and would also like to add lowering the cooldown on blood weapon and price to the list. It avoids resource starvation and better aligns our “bust” with party buffs

Yep, 30 second CDs would be grand.

[SummerScorcher]

I like alot of these suggestions and would also like to add lowering the cooldown on blood weapon and price to the list. It avoids resource starvation and better aligns our “burst” with party buffs

That is a very good one that I missed, definitely adding that to the list! Thanks for the heads up!