Yoshi P./Dev team/Job balance team Please Say Something About DRK

[DRKoftheAzure]

Remember World First was a JP server which means he automatically thinks DRK is clearly in better or best spot now.... always with the e-peens... someone always to stroke their own or someone else's e-peen just to feel important... Strength is pain, strength is suffering, strength is sacrifice... and clearly World First ultimate clear with DRK chose to sacrifice buffs to DRK to stroke their own e-peen...

[DaulBan]

Remember World First was a JP server which means he automatically thinks DRK is clearly in better or best spot now.... always with the e-peens... someone always to stroke their own or someone else's e-peen just to feel important... Strength is pain, strength is suffering, strength is sacrifice... and clearly World First ultimate clear with DRK chose to sacrifice buffs to DRK to stroke their own e-peen...

So they should have pretended it was impossible and played WAR instead?

[whiskeybravo]

If that interview answer is saying what it appears to be saying ...

Well there are not enough carpenters in Gridania to make all the tables that would need flipping.

If the team thinks that DRK is balanced with the other tanks they are quite simply wrong and there is a great deal of data that shows this.

Yea.. They said something.

Something no DRKs wanted to hear lol

#feelsbad

[DRKoftheAzure]

So they should have pretended it was impossible and played WAR instead?

They probably were trying to clear with that setup no matter what the odds were... But in that interview, Naoki Yoshida pretty much implied "all DRK players of skill levels need to shut up and suck it up because you are not getting any more buff this expansion now that you have cleared world first of the new difficulty" which is how I perceived it... then again it could have been a translation error but let's be honest I think google translate would probably actually use what I just said about how he implied it as an actual translation and WAY MORE people would be pissed about it...

[CaTi]

Ok, this is getting blown out of proportion. The key word used in this answer was "Visibly". The Dev team don't see a that much of a "Visible" disparity between the tanks currently. They concede that the utility offered by Shake it off is more "Visibly" apparent than what DRK offers, not that it's the final word in tank utility or usefulness. This was by no means a statement of "NO buffs ever", nor was it a "Shut up and suck it up" statement. It means that all considered the Devs are quite happy with where things stand *At present*. May not be the case by 4.2, may be the case until 5.0. This constant twisting of words to suit party rhetoric isn't doing the DRK community as a whole any favours with either the remainder of the playerbase or any Devs that may or may not be reading these threads. Just everyone (DRKs and non-DRKs) take it down a notch eh?

[DRKoftheAzure]

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Anger pretty much overwrites logic... Especially since Stormblood early access/launch was probably worse than 1.0 launch... and we all know how that ended...(killing an mmorpg with technical fire but it was THE MOST GLORIES TECHNICAL FIRE EVER) if Naoki Yoshida has plans to kill FF14 for good that will not bode well... which I doubt the guys that are keeping him employed would be happy about that meaning his livelihood is at stake regardless of what the playerbase says... so yeah...

[CaTi]

[QUOTE=DRKoftheAzure;4476943 if Naoki Yoshida has plans to kill FF14 for good that will not bode well... which I doubt the guys that are keeping him employed would be happy about that meaning his livelihood is at stake regardless of what the playerbase says... so yeah...[/QUOTE]

I don't even know where to start with that? Where do you get the idea he has any interest in killing the game? Unless you're seriously implying that the very small proportion of DRKs who would unsub rather than continue playing DRK/other jobs would actually have any impact at all on anything. Sorry to disappoint but it's a drop in the ocean really. I don't recall the game being in it's death throes because PLDs were angry back in Heavensward, or Monk for pretty much the entirety of the game for that matter.

Edit- completely borked the quote thing. Oh well :')

[Deathshiro]

Unless you're seriously implying that the very small proportion of DRKs who would unsub rather than continue playing DRK/other jobs would actually have any impact at all

Well judging from my research.... you neither player DRK nor have been to any recorded savage content (Shinryu however is fun)

So lets go from here then. Back in 3.x PLD was trash for Alex as almost all tank busters/autos were Magic. Twist this around for 3.x... imagine if all the tank busters were now physical with little-no need for magic defensives. Guess who would have gotten the 4.x buff instead.

All in all, when people stop bringing a job to savage all together the team investigates. Currently in every savage fight I've seen on fflogs so far... PLD/WAR is overtaking DRK in terms of usage & popularity. What Yoshida is implying is that "Well players must not understand how beneficial TBN is, it's less visibly apparently than Shake It Off". This statement is just straight wrong, it's an Apples - Oranges comparison.

TBN is a single target 20%(self) or 10%(another person) hp shield that costs a hefty amount of personal resources on a 15 second cooldown

Shake It Off costs nothing, shields the whole group up to 24% (most people only use the base 8% since its free) at the cost of all your personal defensives if going for the 24%. HOWEVER it costs nothing if you only need the base 8%... which is only 2% less than TBN and has a 90 second cooldown.

TL;DR - What does a DRK bring that a WAR or a PLD can't? The answer is nothing, so people won't bring it. With people not bringing it, it will lead to more exposure by the dev team.

[Reynhart]

meta analysis

Problem is, even by totally screwing Savage balance, if would never kill the game...in fact, if Savage didn't exist, it wouldn't kill the game, considering the very small part of the playerbase that actually is interested in Savage.

[CaTi]

Sorry Deathshiro, the quote thing is being real derpy so bear with me

Anyway yes I don't play DRK, tried it for a bit, couldn't really get behind the style of it personally, what's the point being made there?
Second regarding Savage content, I've actually cleared O1S-3S multiple times this tier. where did you get that idea from 'cause I think your data might be a tad off.

But I feel there's some misinterpretation going on here. The point I made in what you quoted me on was that if every DRK who wanted to quit did so this instant, the game would keep ticking on quite happily. (Mostly I was nitpicking Azure's weirdly apocalyptic statement about Yoshi potentially planning to kill the game). Of course if a class suddenly sees a drop in numbers the Devs will notice. They might even do something about it, hopefully they do, DRK does need a few tweaks (probably an AoE shield at this point to level that out). But let's not inflate the impact one job community could really have.

You are off on one point though. You say people won't bring DRK as it offers nothing by comparison? That's already wrong. We know the world first guy did it because he found it fun, even if that's untrue it then indicates DRK offered a competitive advantage that WAR didn't at the time. People *are* bringing DRK, just not in the same volume as they used to is all.

That said you do highlight an interesting point regarding Alexander and the damage types employed in there. DRK has always had a weird mitigation kit. Nothing's different regarding that, just there's no spoon feeding content that benefits DRK going on anymore. So personally I think DRK has always had most of these issues. They just became more apparent because the content isn't covering them up. Also *something* *something* Heavensward DPS is king mentality and DRK outperformed PLD in that context way back when.

There's more I want to add but text wall is text wall and you get what I'm saying