Dear Tanks

[KaivaC]

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But this isn't real life, and this isn't the army.

Tanks that can't manage their CDs appropriately are not rotating their CDs correctly. In a lot of cases, healers don't have to spam heal, even in the event that the tank doesn't use their CDs - I would know, as I main an AST and have only had problems with undergeared tanks, and even then, I'm not spam healing. Also, lucid dreaming is there for a reason, plus healers who rip aggro because they are overhealing are at fault here - healers don't need to keep the tank at 100% hp in every pull. In most cases, healers rip aggro simply because they cast a regen or pop a heal in the middle of a pull, in which case, all they have to do is run straight to the tank so that aggro can be picked up again. Simple fix.

[KaijinRhada]

I did read. The implication that monks don't AoE well will start spreading the nonsense that they're not good on AoE situations, and less people will be inclined to do so, or be less daring on large pulls. It's absolute garbage to implicate that it isn't ideal for monks to AoE, when it is, and it's tiring to hear that get spread constantly.

[KaivaC]

2c. Heal the dps who are deserpately trying to avoid the numbers does the 20 mobs are shooting out every 2 seconds

the melee dps actually does a lot less dos cos they spend more time avoiding aoes.

DPS who are getting hit by mob AOEs are either standing in the AOEs, which is dumb on their part, or the tank didn't turn them away...but the DPS can still move out of the way. Also...I don't understand 2c. Wot. Like, I literally cannot understand what that says.

[Eylirria]

you can do the same, if you want to pull up to each boss go with people you like, and of like minded intent.

also not ever melee has good aoe skills, monk being 1 of them. some melee do good some don't. SE has been slowly down grading aoe's to stop us from large pulling.

And I do.
You don't see me making a thread complaining about it, do you?

Monks have more than enough AoE damage for max-level 4-mans mass pulling. Just because they aren't best, or even if they are the worst, they still do more than enough.

[BigRed5392]

I did read. The implication that monks don't AoE well will start spreading the nonsense that they're not good on AoE situations, and less people will be inclined to do so, or be less daring on large pulls. It's absolute garbage to implicate that it isn't ideal for monks to AoE, when it is, and it's tiring to hear that get spread constantly.

its been like that since ARR launch, never stopped anyone from large pulling. you need to really look into the difference between "not good" and "absolute shit" their single target damage is better then aoe, their aoe damage is not as good as a sam. that is all i said, not one time did i say mnk aoe suck and shouldn't aoe, so no you didn't read lol.

or you would know what i said, which is some jobs aoe better then others.

[Rokke]

not really if you look at raw damage from aoe vs single target not the tp. And look up spells/skills slowly getting the "more mobs hit, you deal less damage" effects. I have no issue with large pulls, i enjoy them as a smn. (dat bahamut damage yo) but you can't just sit back and ignore the changes SE have been doing, outside more and more gates.

pld has no issue with large pulls but some tanks (drk) has had a lot of their defenses neutered since SB launch. foresight was a big reason large pulls happen since it was a defense boost. now some tanks just have 1-2 damage reduction buffs.

A DRK may be less of a sponge than a PLD, but as a WHM I can manage to keep both standing while dpsing. My "main" dps is BRD. BRD AoE isn't as good as it was in HW, but its still more than capable dealing with a big pull.

Its true that theres always going to be a class that outshines another within their category but everyone has serviceable AoE going on in SB.

[BigRed5392]

And I do.
You don't see me making a thread complaining about it, do you?

Monks have more than enough AoE damage for max-level 4-mans mass pulling. Just because they aren't best, or even if they are the worst, they still do more than enough.

which is what i said. -_- wow people missed english class in school or something lol. where did i say monk suck at aoe and not viable? please point it out. I stated monk are not as good as sam, and to best with single target damage. nor did I say monks shouldn't aoe lol.

all i said is some jobs do aoe better then others, which was to a post that was saying all jobs are equal. I was correcting it saying they are not. Not once saying they shouldn't aoe. Or that their aoe sucks.

I've seen monks do good aoe in dungeons, but their mainstay is single target.

[BigRed5392]

A DRK may be less of a sponge than a PLD, but as a WHM I can manage to keep both standing while dpsing. My "main" dps is BRD. BRD AoE isn't as good as it was in HW, but its still more than capable dealing with a big pull.

Its true that theres always going to be a class that outshines another within their category but everyone has serviceable AoE going on in SB.

my GF mains dark and i play drk on the side, we both large pull. I don't think anyone here is understanding me, and jumping on my case because they are overthinking what I'm saying.

idk how people get "monk aoe suck, drks large pulling sucks" out of my posts when im not saying that at all lol.

i swear people in ff14 lack communication skills, I get mine are not that great. But no need to jump on my case putting words in my mouth claiming im saying something im not.

my g/f met an epic healer in lost city hm. she had 0 issues large pulling, whm didn't drop below 70% mp, her hp was 70% and he was doing good damage, and not stepping on her toes with holy spam. They even took out the final boss as a duo after she accidentally locked out the 2 dps. the whm maintained 50% mp during the fight.

[Awful]

not really if you look at raw damage from aoe vs single target not the tp. And look up spells/skills slowly getting the "more mobs hit, you deal less damage"
pld has no issue with large pulls but some tanks (drk) has had a lot of their defenses neutered since SB launch. foresight was a big reason large pulls happen since it was a defense boost. now some tanks just have 1-2 damage reduction buffs.

The problem with what you posted is Monks AoE is that they are not affected by how many targets you hit, and even if they were AoE is more damage per potency vs single target. If you pull 20 mobs and only single target 1 you're missing a lot damage as a monk and their AoE used to be the melee king in HW it's still good now especially with the low TP costs and using Purifcation on AoE pulls so use it.

To regards to the tanks, yeah Drks lost a lot of their abilities but in terms of dungeons the tanks can equally pull everything and take the same abuse just Pld and War can smooth it out nicer than Drk in relation to CDs. They can all mass pull every single dungeon that's tuned for 70 easily it just takes people to actually press their AoE buttons and nuke everything down which heaven forbid people don't use as well as tanks cycling CDs as it's always been.

[Rokke]

my GF mains dark and i play drk on the side, we both large pull. I don't think anyone here is understanding me, and jumping on my case because they are overthinking what I'm saying.

idk how people get "monk aoe suck, drks large pulling sucks" out of my posts when im not saying that at all lol.

i swear people in ff14 lack communication skills, I get mine are not that great. But no need to jump on my case putting words in my mouth claiming im saying something im not.

my g/f met an epic healer in lost city hm. she had 0 issues large pulling, whm didn't drop below 70% mp, her hp was 70% and he was doing good damage, and not stepping on her toes with holy spam. They even took out the final boss as a duo after she accidentally locked out the 2 dps. the whm maintained 50% mp during the fight.

Im not sure what words Im putting in your mouth. This chain started when you said monk AoE wasn't good and that SB limited AoE. I disagreed about MNK, but agreed with the limiting but find the increase in dungeon gates to be a bigger detriment to big pulls than the new 4.0 AoE. Our DRK/WHM experiences even match up so Im not sure whose jumping on who lol

I think most people are just saying MNK isn't as bad as you originally made it sound.
For what its worth, english isn’t my first language tho so ymmv :P