Dear Tanks

[BigRed5392]

Nonsensical.

DPS scales non-linearly for every class past the 3rd mob (the sweetspot for most classes to go full-on AoE) which results in less time taken overall to kill the same amount of targets.
Every class is capable of decent AoE to get this done in your 4-man runs. Every. single. one -- melee included.

While not everyone can be a BLM/RDM/SMN, every single class can adequately handle AoE.


If you want to clear room by room, in a tactical, controlled, manner -- go do it with people that want to do it like you.
Don't try and force or put down people who put efficiency over... whatever it is you're trying to argue.

you can do the same, if you want to pull up to each boss go with people you like, and of like minded intent.

also not ever melee has good aoe skills, monk being 1 of them. some melee do good some don't. SE has been slowly down grading aoe's to stop us from large pulling.

[Rokke]

also not ever melee has good aoe skills, monk being 1 of them. some melee do good some don't. SE has been slowly down grading aoe's to stop us from large pulling.

Monk has good aoe tho, TP lasts longer now then it did in HW.

The only thing SE's really done to curb larger pulls is put up more gates. Its still easy to melt mobs in a dungeon with most DF combos.

[BigRed5392]

Monk has good aoe tho, TP lasts longer now then it did in HW.

The only thing SE's really done to curb larger pulls is put up more gates. Its still easy to melt mobs in a dungeon with most DF combos.

not really if you look at raw damage from aoe vs single target not the tp. And look up spells/skills slowly getting the "more mobs hit, you deal less damage" effects. I have no issue with large pulls, i enjoy them as a smn. (dat bahamut damage yo) but you can't just sit back and ignore the changes SE have been doing, outside more and more gates.

pld has no issue with large pulls but some tanks (drk) has had a lot of their defenses neutered since SB launch. foresight was a big reason large pulls happen since it was a defense boost. now some tanks just have 1-2 damage reduction buffs.

[Rokke]

not really if you look at raw damage from aoe vs single target not the tp. And look up spells/skills slowly getting the "more mobs hit, you deal less damage" effects. I have no issue with large pulls, i enjoy them as a smn. (dat bahamut damage yo) but you can't just sit back and ignore the changes SE have been doing, outside more and more gates.

pld has no issue with large pulls but some tanks (drk) has had a lot of their defenses neutered since SB launch. foresight was a big reason large pulls happen since it was a defense boost. now some tanks just have 1-2 damage reduction buffs.

A DRK may be less of a sponge than a PLD, but as a WHM I can manage to keep both standing while dpsing. My "main" dps is BRD. BRD AoE isn't as good as it was in HW, but its still more than capable dealing with a big pull.

Its true that theres always going to be a class that outshines another within their category but everyone has serviceable AoE going on in SB.

[Awful]

not really if you look at raw damage from aoe vs single target not the tp. And look up spells/skills slowly getting the "more mobs hit, you deal less damage"
pld has no issue with large pulls but some tanks (drk) has had a lot of their defenses neutered since SB launch. foresight was a big reason large pulls happen since it was a defense boost. now some tanks just have 1-2 damage reduction buffs.

The problem with what you posted is Monks AoE is that they are not affected by how many targets you hit, and even if they were AoE is more damage per potency vs single target. If you pull 20 mobs and only single target 1 you're missing a lot damage as a monk and their AoE used to be the melee king in HW it's still good now especially with the low TP costs and using Purifcation on AoE pulls so use it.

To regards to the tanks, yeah Drks lost a lot of their abilities but in terms of dungeons the tanks can equally pull everything and take the same abuse just Pld and War can smooth it out nicer than Drk in relation to CDs. They can all mass pull every single dungeon that's tuned for 70 easily it just takes people to actually press their AoE buttons and nuke everything down which heaven forbid people don't use as well as tanks cycling CDs as it's always been.

[KaijinRhada]

you can do the same, if you want to pull up to each boss go with people you like, and of like minded intent.

also not ever melee has good aoe skills, monk being 1 of them. some melee do good some don't. SE has been slowly down grading aoe's to stop us from large pulling.

I main a monk, and I know for a fact that they can AoE adequately and, with some smart positioning, AoE well. There is still no excuse to not AoE when the situation calls for it.

[BigRed5392]

I main a monk, and I know for a fact that they can AoE adequately and, with some smart positioning, AoE well. There is still no excuse to not AoE when the situation calls for it.

did i say not to aoe? i don't recall saying that lol. I said some are better then others. monks single target damage is still better then their aoe damage. May want to read instead of jumping on the post. at 1 word.

[KaijinRhada]

I did read. The implication that monks don't AoE well will start spreading the nonsense that they're not good on AoE situations, and less people will be inclined to do so, or be less daring on large pulls. It's absolute garbage to implicate that it isn't ideal for monks to AoE, when it is, and it's tiring to hear that get spread constantly.

[Eylirria]

you can do the same, if you want to pull up to each boss go with people you like, and of like minded intent.

also not ever melee has good aoe skills, monk being 1 of them. some melee do good some don't. SE has been slowly down grading aoe's to stop us from large pulling.

And I do.
You don't see me making a thread complaining about it, do you?

Monks have more than enough AoE damage for max-level 4-mans mass pulling. Just because they aren't best, or even if they are the worst, they still do more than enough.

[BigRed5392]

And I do.
You don't see me making a thread complaining about it, do you?

Monks have more than enough AoE damage for max-level 4-mans mass pulling. Just because they aren't best, or even if they are the worst, they still do more than enough.

which is what i said. -_- wow people missed english class in school or something lol. where did i say monk suck at aoe and not viable? please point it out. I stated monk are not as good as sam, and to best with single target damage. nor did I say monks shouldn't aoe lol.

all i said is some jobs do aoe better then others, which was to a post that was saying all jobs are equal. I was correcting it saying they are not. Not once saying they shouldn't aoe. Or that their aoe sucks.

I've seen monks do good aoe in dungeons, but their mainstay is single target.