Dear Tanks

[Selova]

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Dude. We get it. You had a bad experience, get over it. It happens. Just shrug it off and move on, Tanks are not going to stop doing big pulls, ever. People, like yourself have this weird tendency to go on these one man crusades on the forums, making matter-of-fact statements and drawing hilarious real life comparisons..to a video game.....thinking that you are somehow going to influence how people play the game and make them come to some kind of revelation that they should be doing things your way all because you had a bad experience. Get over yourself and move on. Nothing you say or do is going to overthrow the majority, especially on the forums.

[Mhaeric]

Large or even full pulls are good if the group can handle it. Note that this means the entire group, not just the tank or just the healer, or even just the two of them. If the DPS is too slow, whether simply from lower ilevel or even just from them being single target focused jobs, then a tank and healer can run out of resources in a prolonged fight with multiple targets and be overwhelmed even if they can normally do it with 2 other dps who have high AoE potential.

Take a look at your group's formation and decide from that. E.g. if you have a smn and a blm there's a good chance you'll be fine with full pulls. If you have a ninja and a monk, there's a much smaller chance that a full pull will be as successful. If a full pull doesn't work then don't try it again unless there's an obvious fix. E.g. "Oops, I Benedictioned myself not you by mistake. Sorry!"

That said... I do notice as a healer that there are very noticeable gaps in tank effectiveness. Some tanks can do full pulls in Skalla and I barely even have to heal them. I just pop an adlo/excog on them pre-pull and the fairy gets the rest and I can dps the whole time. Other tanks are super squishy and from the way they pull probably don't even realize it. On them I have to rotate adlo, physic, lustrate every 2 gcd just to keep them alive, never mind having time to dps. Most are on a spectrum between this, but either extreme is not uncommon. I personally chalk up the fact that most tanks, even the squishy ones, like to do full pulls to the Dunning-Kruger effect, to be honest. I.e. the bad tanks don't realize that they're bad tanks and think they're a lot better than they actually are.

[Mhaeric]

Erm... SAM is an AoE beast if played well... and melee dodging aoe's is not that hard. It's why melee attacks are mostly instant. SAM do have that occasional cast time one, but it's not that long of a cast time.

you don't save anytime at all by pulling 20mobs at the same time.

Casters are laughing at this statement. There's nothing I love more on my RDM/BLM/SMN than a full pull. My dps skyrockets and things melt so fast.

[virgil204]

Erm... SAM is an AoE beast if played well... and melee dodging aoe's is not that hard. It's why melee attacks are mostly instant. SAM do have that occasional cast time one, but it's not that long of a cast time.



Casters are laughing at this statement.

let them laugh

excuse me telling me running from does which are exploding every 1 sec isn't hard true.

However you're constantly running away. Hence your constantly not doing dps. No it's not hard but you spend a lot of time away from the mob so it's bad. simple

[SenorPatty]

Erm... SAM is an AoE beast if played well... and melee dodging aoe's is not that hard. It's why melee attacks are mostly instant. SAM do have that occasional cast time one, but it's not that long of a cast time.



Casters are laughing at this statement. There's nothing I love more on my RDM/BLM/SMN than a full pull. My dps skyrockets and things melt so fast.

COMRADE!

As a fellow SMN/RDM as well as PLD/SAM/SCH that love big pulls, allow me to join in on that laughter

[Mhaeric]

I've played this game since launch.

Join Date: Oct 2017

FWIW, I'm getting the impression that you are someone who bought a level 60 potion and as a result now know everything there is to know about the game. That's the attitude that you're choosing to display at least.

[virgil204]

FWIW, I'm getting the impression that you are someone who bought a level 60 potion and as a result now know everything there is to know about the game. That's the attitude that you're choosing to display at least.

silly statement.

I have played FFXI since it was released in EURO
I have played WOW since it was released in EURO
I have played FFXIV version 1
I have played FFXIV ARR since it was released in EURO

so your assumption that I bought a level 60 potion is completely wrong.
It's so wrong it says a lot about your other statements which are also completely wrong

[ElHeggunte]

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Just an FYI, but "Join date" means when you signed up for the forums and has nothing to do with when you started the game. For example, I've had a FFXIV account since 1.0's CB, but it says August 2013 on the forums because I didn't bother to sign up for them until ARR's launch.

[Mhaeric]

Just an FYI, but "Join date" means when you signed up for the forums and has nothing to do with when you started the game. For example, I've had a FFXIV account since 1.0's CB, but it says August 2013 on the forums because I didn't bother to sign up for them until ARR's launch.

I am more than aware of that, but I am skeptical of anyone who attempts to use how long they've played a game as reason for why they're right and someone else is not. Particularly when their forum join date can be measured to at best one month ago, and they have other posts saying they are a returning player who mains three jobs that aren't any of the ones they're talking about in the multiple troll threads they've started. My guess is this person probably has played for a while at least, but got forum banned at least once in the past and this is their new troll account. My solution, as always, is to put them on ignore. Works wonders.

The problem is the plethora of circular AoEs and PBAoEs that are too big to be outside of and still be within melee range of the target. Not usually a big deal in and of itself, but if you're fighting a large pack of mobs that spam those abilities and you're a melee DPS, prepare to have a bad time.

The only ones that will have this issue are those with a large circular radius that are centered on the mob itself like the large toad aoe's. If a circular aoe is centered on you, just find the direction that doesn't put you out of range of the mob. This usually means moving to the side of the mob or even towards the tank. Even if 2 or 3 of them drop at the same time, there's always a direction to move that is more efficient than directly away from the mobs. You can also hit your weaponskills as you run, so you can even run most of the way out, pop the weaponskill at the last second, finish running out, and have more than enough time to run back in range before the next gcd. Even the toad AoE can allow this sometimes if it happens to time well with your gcd. Run 'n gun essentially.

[Rokke]

Hopefully its a DEAR HEALERS thread next